Author: James Haley II

What do you think of WCW releasing a lot of talent, especially older talent?

Well, my honest opinion of that is that you have to look at the person, the individual themselves because there were people who said that I needed to step aside in power pro. There are people who said that, but as the champion, whenever I came out there was a packed studio and I had 200 kids in my face, that’s who makes the decisions.

As far as the older guys, I don’t know. I don’t know how big a pop Kevin Nash gets. To me I will always be a Hulk Hogan fan. Whether I think hulk Hogan can wrestle, I don’t know and I’m not really going to comment on that. But I will say the man has sold out buildings and the man puts butts in the seats. But whether or not I think he deserves to step down so somebody else can step up, even he said on his interview, yes he would if a person came along who could do what he did, what he does which is put butts in those seats. I think the people who dogged Hogan out forgot the fact that Hogan had no problem stepping aside for Goldberg. Matter fact, he’s one of the only ones who did at first, so now I think it’s a point that do I think the older guys need to step aside or do they need to step up the pace; that’s the question. For instance everybody’s looking at Rock and HHH for instance the matches they’ve had; you take that match and you look at a WCW main event. But now you got Booker T. and Jeff Jarret, guys who will go and they will go and they will you know, Booker T. will work his ass off and Jarret will work his ass off, so can you compare that main event to a Rock and HHH main event? Yeah, so I don’t know if that’s an older guy stepping down if you take Kevin Nash out of the picture or Rick Steiner out of the picture I don’t know; I guess it depends on how you look at it?

Do you have any idea when we’ll see you on TV with WCW?

The story was supposed to be things were supposed to happen mid- to late-September probably after the Pay Per View, but something a lot of people don’t know I blew out my knee and I have a torn Lateral Meniscus that has to be repaired. That’s why I’m home now. I got the MRIs yesterday and they’re going to look at them and let me know if I have to be operated on so I could be out for 2-3 weeks. Which will pretty much blow my September start date. There was an opportunity that looked like it may have happened soon but it probably will be moved back until I’m completely healed, so it’s hard to say. But I can definitely say will be before the end of the year. Put it this way: after the knee is healed I’m going to push even harder and do everything I can to get that spot going, so I don’t plan on waiting any longer than I have to.

Everybody in Memphis knows you’re going to be on TV in no time!

I’m hoping so, I mean they pulled me off of TV there so, I’m hoping so. I’ll admit I’ll miss working down there–the fans are great there and like I said in my last interview, I think we shocked a lot of people, by we I mean myself and the fans, and PPW we shocked a lot of people being able to keep our heads afloat and things built up with what we were up against. I would like to see how things go now with the PPW and the MCW situation. Competition is good.

I would like to give an opinion on something:

This has been totally bothering me that I’ve been reading about and I don’t know how many people are into your newspaper or whatever, but you know this is something …

First of all, a lot of people nowadays say that Randy and MCW certain older people from wrestling are talking about Randy and MCW are killing of this business. That’s a bunch of bull. First of all they’re killing off the business by saying these things. The fact of the matter is, wrestling is show business it always has been from Day One; way back to the days when it was a shoot, it was still entertainment.

When wrestling first started it was a carnival attraction and a guy first had to let one or two people beat him before they put the big bets out there. It was a wrestling attraction back then — then he kicked the guys butt. The fact is this: as we grow up, as you and I have grown what we saw and caught our attention does not catch the eye of the fans these days. You know, we got up the guy worked a hold for 20 minutes worked up, got back in the hold, if it was a good guy We were totally in that phase of good guy/bad guy. These days it doesn’t work like that because half the people nowadays cheer for the bad guys more than they cheer for the good guys.

And I heard about an interview that a certain person did on one of these major Internet things and everybody talked about. If we went out there. I do think there’s not enough wrestling in pro wrestling these days but I also know that without those high spots and stuff like that it wouldn’t be no different than it was 10 years ago and people wouldn’t watch it. Its like a car; there are people out there saying they made a new Corvette they messed it up but if you say that to a 16 year old kid, he’ll say what the hell you talking about? The new corvettes are the funk!! That’s the same thing here. The people who barely watch wrestling anymore — you got to think about wrestling is geared to people 16-35 or 40 years old people. And they try to keep the wrestling in it for the 25 and up. But the rest of the biggest people who buy those t-shirts are kids. And they want to see stuff that’s going to make them go ooohhh and ahhhhhhhh so that crap about we’re killing wrestling; no the reason why Randy ‘n’em can’t draw is because there are two national TV shows, and when these guys are talking all that shit, what’s his name Kenny Wayne or whatever his name was–Buddy Wayne, I told Buddy to his face the fact is “I’m not the Rock.”

You’ve got to give people what they want to see, yes that is true, but Lawler doesn’t even pull anymore. And that’s in Memphis! MCW’s been running shows with Lawler’s name on posters forever and they don’t draw. The fact is, if you’re not an national TV; if you’re not something that people want to see with the posters up in their rooms and all that kind of stuff, it’s hard to draw down there. That’s all there is to it. There’s a lot of competition now.

When they talk about how many people they used to draw, that’s where there was territories; they didn’t’ have the WWF to deal with…I’d like to see Buddy Wayne — now remember Buddy Wayne has drawn some shows, his own shows. I suppose he was putting the shows together the way he said they should be down. He doesn’t draw shit. I know; we worked some of them. He didn’t draw nothing! That’s the bottom line to it. When the WWF of the WCW comes somewhere you’re talking about thousands and thousands of dollars of advertising money. Randy doesn’t have that; MCW doesn’t have that. You’re also talking about what you’re you going to do, you’re going to save your $10 and have $20 to go to a WWF show or spend your $10 to go to a PPW show? You’re going to save and go to those WWF shows and get you a front seat ticket. And that’s the bottom line to it.

So all these people going around talking that crap about, you know they forget back then it was territories and people waited for it because it wasn’t on national TV. I think there were only two shows out: Wrestling at the Chase, AWA, and USWA. Neither of them was on national broadcast. So when you came to a town it was something to see. That’s why they drew back then. And Harley Race will tell you that; that’s where I got it from. Harley Race, Jake the Snake any of those guys will tell you the difference now than the difference then. So when all those people are talking all that trash, No–that’s a bunch of trash. They make it sound like the young guys are killing off the business because we do–shit man come on, that made me mad, I’m sorry I was just venting on that one cause I keep hearing about this stuff and it’s like man we’re not killing anything, we’re trying to keep it alive.

Yeah, it’s pretty obvious that people’s tastes have changed otherwise there would be no ECW.

Ain’t that the truth I mean people want realism, and if I don’t like you and you and I are really fighting and we’re fighting for the title, I’m going to hit your ass with a chair. Buddy Wayne refereed a match I did in Nashville and he got real upset about the sleeper hold. Well, first of all, Buddy, people don’t go to sleep on a sleeper hold anymore. First of all nobody is going to sit there and let you hold them long enough to do it. It’s just my opinion, but it seems to be the opinion of a lot of the young wrestlers coming up and as far as when they’re talking PPW and MCW suck and they draw fleas its not a point they can’t draw fleas. It’s the fact that most towns you go to people don’t know about the shows #1 there’s not enough advertising out there. #2 depending on what else is going on, PPW you can watch that stuff for free on TV. It’s a whole different. I don’t know, that’s just my opinion. I would like to see everybody quit dogging the independents out saying that they can’t draw; no you can’t draw compared to the WWF and WCW and I would love to see any of those guys who are talking all that trash about how they used to draw because, shit, Ohio Valley doesn’t draw like they had how many WWF stars on their last big show and what did the draw 5 or 6 hundred? Building will hold 3000?

So do you think independents are still needed with the popularity of the WCW and WWF?

Oh yeah, cause without them where would we come from? Your new stars if you look at both of the shows there’s a lot of new talent and there’s a lot of people who never wrestled before. I mean look at Kurt Angle he did Olympic wrestling, but where did he learn his trade? Last I remember he was down there at power pro with us? Where did he learn to work the mike? Last I remember he was down at Power Pro with us. Where would I come from? Where would half those guys come from? You know. You need independents, even though both of the big two have their own wrestling schools, they really don’t like the idea of starting fresh with somebody. Kevin Northcutt and me came into the Power Plant and were proud to be there. But we’re also helping guys that are new learn, so you need that, you know? You need guys that have been around and know that basics, that way, the coaches themselves, Like the Sarge, would be going through a lot if he had to deal with all the guys that come through there by himself. He’d be taking bump, after bump, after bump, after bump.

So there’s definitely a place for Indies. Without them, you wouldn’t have the superstars. But the problem is, there people that run independents that need to understand that, “Hey look, when I’m looking at something on TV, when I go to an independent show, that’s what I want to see — not some fat ass ‘Jug-a-lug’–” When a woman comes to a show, she wants to see a Rock, or a HHH–you know, a well built man! She doesn’t want to see her husband.

That’s the problem with Indies nowadays. The only people I know who [really encourages the wrestlers to get in shape] are Harley Race–and Bert [Prentis] –And down South, you have so many wrestling groups that think they know something–They all think they have what it takes to be a star–but ask they how many times they have been to a gym. You see them in the locker room smoking cigarettes, and drinking in the locker room–and they can’t cut a promo to save their life!

(You can e-mail James Haley at jhaley@memphisflyer.com)

I met Ali Stevens back in February, 2000, when Randy Hales, the founder, owner, and president of Power Pro Wrestling (PPW) invited the fans from the Memphis Wrestling Internet Mailing list to attend a TV taping at the WMC-TV studio, and to come backstage after the show and meet the wrestlers. He is not only one of the most talented wrestlers to come through the Memphis area, but also one of the most down-to-earth people you will ever meet. I got a chance to talk to Ali while he was at home recovering from an injury. We talked about a variety of subjects including his start in wrestling, Memphis Championship Wrestling (MCW) becoming one of the World Wrestling Federation’s developmental territories, and how he made it to the “Big Time” with World Championship Wrestling (WCW).

How did you get started?

I went to a family reunion and Sylvester Ritter was there … and he gave me the names of some people running shows in ST. Louis. I was trained by those guys for about a year. Then I went on the road with a guy by the name of Bill AsheÉand from there that was it.

Back in St. Louis, did you work with any wrestlers that anyone would know now?

No, it was an independent circuit. King Kong Brody was one of the main guys that helped put the group together before he died. The only person who had actually made it out of one of the groups I worked in St. Louis was Kane (Glenn Jacobs) but like everyone else he had to go down to Memphis to make it.

How did you get to Memphis?

Now you have a story! I went down to Power Pro a year or so ago. Not long after they got started. On older tapes with Jackie on them, you can see me sitting in the audience. It was really weird because I came to meet [Jerry] Lawler and [Bill] Dundee, but I never got to meet Randy [Hales]. Dundee told me — and this is after I had been working for Harley Race, Jake Roberts, Bill Ashe, and of course, Sylvester — but Dundee told me I didn’t have what it would take to make it in Memphis. He told me if I wanted to work for Power Pro, I’d have attend his school, his training center, and pay him money to train there. So I ended up going to Dyersburg with those guys, and I was doing Atomic Dog gimmick. Then after Lawler and Dundee left, I went down [to Power Pro Wrestling] again and I got in touch with Brandon [Baxter], and I actually got to meet Randy this time and we talked to Jim Cornett, and we talked about a gimmick that had been kicked around up north for a while, and Brandon had a good idea as to how it should go, and Ali just came out of there.

What was it like working with the WWF guy when Power Pro had the development deal?

A lot of people have their different opinions on it, but to me, it was great. I saw it as an opportunity to meet people like Jim Ross, and Bruce Pritchard, and get an opportunity to work with Jim Cornett closely, and the talent — I don’t think you can get any better than [Steve Bradley] on the Indy scene — and the same goes for some of the others. So, to me, it was a learning experience. When you get with guys like that, who’ve been around, who’ve been trained up North by people like Dory Funk — it was great! I know there were a lot of rumors about problems. I think the guys that were not happy were not unhappy about being in [Power Pro,] but they were just not happy about being in Memphis period, you know? They wanted to be at home, like I am here [in Atlanta].

Do you keep in touch with the WWF guys who just got promoted?

Here and there. I talk to Viscera on a regular basis. I pretty much do emails with the guys up in Ohio Valley. I have not talked to Kurt [Angle], but if I see them at a show or at the airport we’ll sit down and talk and grab a soda or something. We do that a lot. I’ve run into a lot of those guys at the airport. Everybody’s pretty cool, but we don’t call each other just to shoot the shit a lot; it’s not that kind of situation. I thought me and Bradley would have kept in touch but they sent him to Puerto Rico. So I haven’t heard from him since

Yeah I miss him in Memphis —

[Laughter] I think everybody does, That was a talented dude. He knew all the aspects. I wish I knew why he’s not on TV now.

Yeah I’d like to know myself. How do you think this move, the WWF taking the development deal away from PPW affect it?

I think it was for the better. I read a lot on the Internet that a lot of the guys give Randy a hard time about Randy not running house shows. But see, what they don’t understand is that regardless of what anybody has ever told you, house shows don’t make money. If you don’t pull 2,000-3,000 people, you don’t make money. If you got a guy like Bill Dundee or somebody like myself coming from St. Louis, who you’re paying 150-200 bucks or you have 5-6 guys you’re paying 50 bucks, and 2-3 you’re paying $150 or more, then you’ve got to pay for the building and the ring rental. If you’ve done any type of advertising you’ve got to pay for that. What people don’t understand is just because you’ve put 300 people in a building doesn’t mean you’ve made your money. If you only put 300 people at $8 a head it’s a good chance between all your rental stuff and paying your guys the set up the ring, and your concessions and everything else, you’ve probably lost money.

Randy right now is trying to make a little bit of money, so see if he’s making money from the sponsorship he’s actually making some money. Compared to how we were doing, it’s not that you can’t make money on house shows but like I said, if you’re not drawing nice numbers you’re not making any money. So in my opinion when they took the deal from randy they took a lot of the pressure off. If you had been there the second week after it was done, it was a whole new locker room. We all had fun, nobody was bitchin’, it was like a whole new set up. I’ll admit I miss Jim Cornett being there, I miss the wrestlers, but I don’t miss the politics. And of course, they are people who will say ‘yea, he didn’t miss it because it shot him up to the top.’ Wrong, because I was being shot up to the top anyway; but it really didn’t matter.

But I think for Power Pro itself that was the best thing that could happen because no matter what anybody says — I’ve seen the sheets — if you got look at the sheets of the ratings PPW has more than held their own against the WWF farm league who is using WWF TV talent, and that’s pretty good if you ask me. That’s pretty good. I think without the pressure of having to put on house shows and that kind of stuff it just made for a better. We were all happy. If you had been backstage a couple of times it was horrible.

Speaking of sheets and all, what do you think of the Internet and it’s impact on wrestling?

I am not one of those guys who thinks the Internet has hurt wrestling, but I don’t think it has made it any better. The widespread use of cable has made it what it is today. I do think that like what they call the ‘smart marks.’ I think a smart mark is nothing but a person who has common sense. A person who is smart enough to know we’re not really out there to kill each other. Just like a person who likes soap operas is smart enough to know that a person didn’t really die last week — you know that type of shit. But I also think you got a lot of guys out there who couldn’t make it in this business because they’re too lazy and they tell stuff that nobody should know. And it’s the same thing; I feel the same way about those TV shows, what are those shows? “The Secrets of Pro Wrestling,” about how we do stuff. See that’s the same thing.

But I think the widespread Internet thing where you can look on here and see what happens on a show and you guys can give your opinions, so I think that’s great. I think the wrestling boards are some of the biggest ones out there, right? I mean, I think it’s good because I’m not going to lie; I get a lot of press. So I think it’s great. I do think the problem is not guys like you or guys like Chris Bell or things like that, I think it’s wrestlers who worked on Indy scenes and couldn’t make it or they come down to places like the Power Plant and they couldn’t make it and they get on there and they tell a bunch of crap or that type of stuff.

Speaking of the Power Plant, tell us how you got hooked up with WCW?

In all honesty, it was Jim Cornett [that helped me get to WCW.] I owe everything right now to Jim Cornett, Harley Race and Terry Taylor. Through Jim Cornett, I got to speak to Terry Taylor when he was leaving the WWF. And my situation with the WWF — when they switched over — it blew my situation with them. And Terry stayed in touch and Cornett stayed on top of Terry and from what I understand I was invited down to the Power Plant; Terry Taylor brought me — you know everybody builds their groups — so Terry came in and wanted to bring in as much good talent as he could and he wanted to do a lot with new talent and I was one of the first ones that he picked to bring in as one of his boys, so to speak.

I’ve seen a few of specials on the Power Plant, saying how it’s so tough and how a bunch of people start in the class, and it ends with a few. Is it really that bad?

Well, let me tell you, the first day, I had to call home and my girlfriend had to talk me into staying — that’s how bad it was. The second day, I called her and she tried to talk me into staying and I about told her to kiss my ass. The first day I was like ‘Man I’m not doing this’ because when I came down I’m thinking I’ve been wrestling for seven years; I shouldn’t have to go through this.

But let me tell you; at that time I turned into the same guys I just told you about. They come down, they come into places now and they talk about how bad WCW is right now, but when you look at what’s happening now — a lot of new faces, a lot of new hungry guys, a lot of new guys who are going to get in there and you know what? We will do whatever it takes. Will come off a 20 feet cage; you know what kind of stuff I would do in PPW, and they wouldn’t even let me do half the stuff I wanted to do. So, you know we’re not making $1 million a year, yet. Stuff like that so, you can look for a lot of changes to happen and that’s what they wanted. So when they run you through those drills they’re running you through those drills for one thing: number 1 stay. number 2 you have the drive, and that’s what it’s about. Anybody can walk into a place — you guys don’t know enough about wrestling — you could walk into a wrestling thing and get a job if you wanted. But does that make you a wrestler and will that make you a star? Hell, no. You’re just another guy on the card.

Whom have you worked with in the Power Plant?

Today, all the girls were down there, we see them on a regular basis. David Flair, on my web site there will be a picture of me and David Flair. Johnny “The Bull” as soon as he finishes up his rehab, he should be back [wrestling] soon. I talked to Scott Steiner a few days ago and showed me his new motorcycle. [Laughter]

Pretty much all of the new talent is on a deal where they have to come to the Power Plant at least once a month.

I’ve been hearing rumors about you and a guy named Tony Norris.

Ahmed Johnson. I really can’t answer that right now. For one, I really don’t know what the game plan is; I understand there could be three different scenarios: there’s a tag team situation of course, and I guess that might be that one that everybody’s talking about. And in my opinion that would probably be my choice, because I know tagging with him, with our size and everything we would surely rocket to the top. You’re definitely talking about it Doom…with the way they did the Road Warriors I mean you’re talking about; I mean that would be my first choice. But they there’s this thing going on with the Power Plant guys, [The Natural Born Thrillers stable] and they’re missing a little color in that group, [laughter] so that could happen. Then of course there’s the whole thing that when I first came in there’s the possibility of Ali staying and doing the same character I was doing at PPW, so it could go 3 or 4 ways and it could go another way. I don’t want to say anything and then it changes or switches and I look stupid…

Yeah, stuff could change at a moment’s notice–

[Laughter] that’s the truth. That is the truth…

Tell me, how have you improved since you walked in the Power Plant?

Well, basically, I feel my improvement more in my attitude #1 because there are no superstars in this company anymore, they tell you that when you walk in the door — not that I thought I was a superstar while I was in Memphis or nothing like that — but you have to have a totally different attitude. It’s more of a working attitude. I’m here to work and have a great time you know and that’s it.

Basically my style of wrestling has changed. I’m sure you saw my last couple of matches in PPW they were a bit off. The one I had with Spellbinder was really off because if you notice at certain points I was getting ready to go into wrestling compared to the brawling style that I was doing before and that he does. At one point I think I even went into a Russian Suplex. I was getting ready to go into a hold and work some stuff and I had to catch myself and say ‘wait a minute this ain’t right now.’ Basically now I consider myself more of a worker and if I get the opportunity to actually work a match on Memphis TV I would like that, but I mean I do a lot of stuff now like I do that Spring Elbow that Bradley used to do off the second turnbuckle out of a corner. I do that now. Summersault leg drop, I did get to do that on PPW before I left.

I’ve got a new finisher which I think I got to do on that one kid but Spellbinder was coming in the ring that day, so there are a hand full of new moves that they’ve put together for my character that way you’re looking at a big guy, 275-280, who can wrestle and can also brawl. Compared to now most of WCW guys the big guys, they’re coming in and they’re brawling — it’s the let’s kill — they look like finna come kill somebody. But to a wrestling fan like yourself, you’re seeing 275 pound Rock and HHH wrestling so then when you see Brian Adams or Kronik yeah, they in there kicking ass but can they ‘work’? Don’t get me wrong, now when you’re talking about Brian Adams or Brian Clarke they can work their asses off. That’s the sense of how people talk about WCW talent; Kevin Nash doesn’t do nothing; Hulk Hogan didn’t do nothing; that type of stuff. So we’ve building the big guys who can work an arm drag if I have to. That’s pretty much they way that they’re making everybody in the power plant work now.

[TOMORROW: Older wrestlers, WCW and TV, and the problem with “Indies.”]

(You can e-mail James Haley at jhaley@jhaley.com)