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Pig Wizard
Poor Andy Holt seems to be unclear on the meaning of many words, including, but not limited to, “civil” and “rights.” Last week, the outspoken Tennessee State Representative, in what some are describing as a strong bid by Holt to become the next Stacey Campfield, described Nathan Bedford Forrest (a slave trader, Confederate general, and the original Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan) as being one of “the South’s first Civil Rights leaders … a man, redeemed through Christ, that fought for the rights of black West Tennesseans.” It’s helpful to remember that Holt, who’s currently being eyeballed by the feds for allegedly releasing 800,000 gallons of pig feces into fields and streams near his farming operation, once described the Humane Society as being nothing but a bunch of “fraudulent” and “reprehensibly disgusting” corporatists “intent on using animals the same way human-traffickers use 17-year-old women.”

Blaming Victims
According to a wide range of Tennessee media sources including The Commercial Appeal, The Tennessean, and Nashville Public Radio, the state of Tennessee canceled an anti-drunk-driving outreach campaign because it had been “criticized as sexist.” After reviewing slogans about poor judgment and the effect of alcohol on clingy, marginally attractive women, The Washington Post published a more accurate story headlined, “Sexist drunken driving campaign canceled on account of being really, really sexist.”

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Letters To The Editor Opinion

What They Said… (July 23, 2015)

Greg Cravens

About Bruce VanWyngarden’s Letter from the Editor on the Civil War (and civil rights) …

Man, it’s great to see someone grab a machete and hack through the thick brush of douchebaggery. Splendid!

DaveC

I was the only white speaker eight years ago, when the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition held a rally in what was then Forrest Park. Rev. Al Sharpton spoke, the late D’Army Bailey spoke, as did others. We were right then, and recently, events have proved us right now. What was written in this article well encapsulates what I said then. It is an excellent piece of truth-telling, nicely exampled. To be brave and even brilliant in a malevolent cause is still damnable, at best pathetic, but never glorious.

Charles Ingram

About Jackson Baker’s cover story, “Into the Sunset” …

My goodness. I guess “we the sheeple” are being hornswoggled by politicians who don’t understand the ramifications of moving an old dead guy from under a bronze statue in a park to the cemetery he and his wife got disinterred from about 100 years ago.

I almost never argue about what to do with 100-year-old corpses. It’s not something that comes up in conversation all that much. As long as he isn’t in my back yard, I’m probably good with it.

But Elmwood sounds fine for Forrest. It’s a nice place. He has friends and family there already. And give Shiloh the statue. They have a lot of antique bronze out there already. Problem solved.

OakTree

Holding on to the symbols of disunity, oppression, and bigotry won’t accomplish peace and unity between peoples. Since the white South was irrefutably wrong in seceding and using the excuse of Reconstruction to terrorize black people and white Republicans, and subsequently using Jim Crow to resubjugate Southern black people after the North gave up trying to make white Southerners behave civilly, then white Southerners should, as a gesture of conciliation, give up these retrograde attempts to whitewash history. Tell the real history, not the fake history the white citizens who erected the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest in 1905 have concocted out of the ether.

Kilgore Trout

Don’t we have bigger fish to fry in this city than to worry about a dead man who is not doing anyone any harm right now? If you don’t like the statue, go to another park. We have several nice ones.

Stbrnrdehed

Just for the record: Confederate soldiers, sailors, and marines who fought in the Civil War were made U.S. veterans by an act of Congress in 1957, making all Confederate veterans equal to U.S. veterans. Additionally, under U.S. Public Law 810, approved by the 17th Congress in 1929, the War Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate gravesites as U.S. war dead gravesites. So, in essence, when you remove a Confederate statue, monument, or headstone, you are, in fact, removing a statue, monument, or headstone of a U.S. veteran.

Fred Paul

About licensing guns …

Cars are so dangerous they can kill. That’s why we require a license — not to own one, but to use one. You must be age 16, get training, pass a written test, pass a road test, and get retested every so often for the rest of your life. And if you want to drive anything bigger (trucks, buses, bulldozers, etc.), that requires a different license, one that’s more difficult to attain, again from a state-certified system. No one has a problem with any of this.

So why don’t the same kinds of laws apply to guns? Cars kill by accident, but guns kill by design. That’s why the police have to have serious background checks and lots of practice, testing and retesting, all by a state-certified system, before they are allowed to carry a gun.

All gun users should have to get training then a license. There should be small-gun and large-gun licenses. Ammunition should be sold in quantities appropriate to the purpose of the gun. If you think you need a 100-round magazine to shoot a deer, you really need more practice.

Like alcohol and tobacco, firearms should be heavily taxed, but all gun-safety devices should be tax-free. 

J. Andrew Smith

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Letters To The Editor Opinion

What They Said (July 16, 2015) …

Greg Cravens

About Bianca Phillips’ post, “Council Committee Agrees on Relocating Forrest Statue and Remains” …

Absolutely appalling and barbaric. May the Memphis council rot in hell.

Jack Spencer

Ah, to see all the whiney little neo-Confederates and their defenders being made to feel so sad that their homages to treason and racism are being called out for exactly what they are: bad history. I mean, why other than to honor a “great American patriot” would a bust of Jefferson Davis be erected in a Memphis park in 1964?

Kilgore Trout

I am afeared of black people, once this statue is removed. His stern visage is all that has kept them at bay. See what happens when you give them the vote.

This Belle

I can understand why black people dislike who this man was. Absolutely. But the war was over 150 years ago. This is a part of our history. Not a pretty part, yet a part nonetheless. And until the Democrat Party, the political party of slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws, the party that fought all the way to the 1960s against civil rights for blacks, is disbanded, then I disagree with digging up the bones of a dead person, no matter who he was.

How can blacks claim to be offended by something in the public when the Democrat Party continues to this day in politics, in government, in making the laws and rules they live under? This same party had a former member of the KKK in the Senate until he retired just a few years ago.

Yet, instead, the people are ranting about a pile of bones under a statue hardly anyone sees or hears about? Shame on all of you. How stupid and appalling. Kim Anglebrandt

There are few things that fascinate me more than clingy Confederate idolators waving the Stars and Bars and telling black folks to get over their ancient history.

Chris Davis

About Frank Murtaugh’s post, “Austin Nichols/Marc Gasol: It’s About Relationships” …

Nichols’ departure is not exactly a surprise. Although I live in Nashville, I still try to catch every televised Memphis Tiger basketball (and football) game. It’s not easy up here in Vandyland.

Back to Nichols. Most Tiger fans could see the curtain falling toward the end of the season. Nichols’ season-ending injury was bad timing, for sure. But there is just something not right with the Memphis program.

I’ve read the rants and the praises of Coach Pastner. Most coaches only dream of the talent Josh has snagged the last six years. But when a talent like Tarik Black bails for Kansas, the blame goes to the top. Pastner is a class act and represents the university well. He had big shoes to fill and almost bigger expectations. I think it has been the culmination of disappointment, disillusion (among certain players), and (dare I say it) the shrinking appeal of Tiger basketball. Something has got to give.

Paul Scates

About Bianca Phillips’ post, “Ballet Memphis Overton Square Design Plans Revealed” …

I just wanted to comment on the fact that a hotel will not be moving into the space occupied by French Quarter Inn in Overton Square. As a Midtowner in the 1970s who enjoyed the heyday of the area, I have been thrilled with the amazing resurgence. I was disappointed to find out the space would be used as a school for Ballet Memphis. It is an excellent organization and I do appreciate the theater/arts expansion in the area, but it seems like they could find a more appropriate Midtown space for a largely non-public building.

That corner is so high-profile in terms of attracting tourists and Memphians to enjoy the shopping, music, and restaurants. So much is just right there at the doorstep in Overton Square. The walk to our fantastic Levitt Shell, Memphis Brooks Museum, the original Huey’s, Shangri-La Records, and our Memphis Zoo would be so easy for tourists who do not have cars.

A hotel is desperately needed in the area. People are interested in Midtown, so let’s give them a nice place to stay!

Edith Davis

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Council Committee Agrees On Relocating Forrest Statue and Remains

The Memphis City Council Parks Committee on Tuesday approved an ordinance allowing the city to move the Nathan Bedford Forrest statue out of Health Sciences Park, and they also approved a resolution to move the remains of Forrest and his wife, which are buried at the park.

The ordinance and resolution came on the heels of a national movement to remove symbols of the Confederacy after a reported white supremacist, Dylann Roof, allegedly murdered nine church members at the historically black Emanuel AME Church in June.

The ordinance to transfer ownership of the statue and to remove and relocate it will be required to pass three readings of the full council before it would go into effect. The resolution to remove the Confederate general’s remains only requires one reading, and the council agreed this morning to move it to tonight’s full council agenda.

But even if that resolution passes, state law would require that the city bring a lawsuit in Shelby County Chancery Court to have the remains removed and relocated. State law requires a Chancery Court decision for the removal and reburial of remains, and any remaining relatives of the deceased must be made a party in the lawsuit.

City Councilmember Janis Fullilove questioned whether the decision to move the statue and remains were related to recent news of the University of Tennessee’s planned expansion. Fullilove said, if UT wanted to purchase the Health Sciences Park land, there could be an ulterior motive for moving the statue. But Myron Lowery, who said he proposed the move before Mayor A C Wharton held a press conference about it two weeks ago, said the move was discussed before he learned of UT’s expansion plans. 

“And there is no proposal to the city from UT to deal with that land,” Lowery said.

Edmund Ford Jr. said he’d talked to a man who was interested in having the statue moved to Shiloh Military Park in Tennessee. And Lowery said he’d heard from others with interest in the statue. An opinion on the matter written by council attorney Allan Wade said Elmwood Cemetery also had room for the statue. But there’s been no decision yet on where the statue would go.

As for the remains, Wade’s opinion highlights the fact that Forrest’s will, which was probated in Shelby County on December 17, 1877, mentions his request to be buried at Elmwood “among the Confederate dead.” Forrest and his wife were originally buried at Elmwood, but their remains were moved to Health Sciences Park (formerly Forrest Park) on November 11, 1904.

The statue was dedicated there on May 18, 1905 by the Forrest Monument Association. The association paid for the statue with private donations, including the donated salaries of the Memphis City Councilmembers who held office in 1903. On March 25, 1903, the association had petitioned the council to authorize a special tax levy for the statue. The council objected because of the need for funding for streets, sewers, and bridges, but the since the members supported the idea for the statue, they agreed to donate that day’s salaries to the cause.

At today’s council committee meeting, Lee Millar of the Sons of Confederate Veterans expressed disapproval of the proposed move of the statue and the remains.

“We are steadfastly opposed to moving the statue of one of our American heroes,” Millar said. “And it would be an abhorrent thing to dig up the graves in Forrest Park.”

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Residents Weigh Merits of Racist Tourist District Against Chances of a Dark Apocalypse

Brian Yotch is torn. The College Park resident agrees with Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton that it’s time for the body of Confederate General and former Klan leader Nathan Bedford Forrest to be removed from its place of honor in Health Sciences Park. On the other hand, Yotch worries that the Grand Wizard’s exhumation will result in deadly paranormal activity.

“There is an army of mostly decomposed confederates buried in Elmwood just looking for a reason to rise up and kill the living,” Yotch said at an impromptu neighborhood watch meeting. “Nobody seems to care about what will happen if they move Forrest’s bones out of the the medical district. They don’t think twice about putting our neighborhood on the front line of the coming war where the veil between reality and unreality will be ripped asunder.

“When the dead rise up to march, they’re marching toward Midtown,” Yotch said, cautioning civic leaders to be reasonable. “Don’t think I’m saying it’s okay for Memphis to honor a guy who made his fortune selling slaves and rebelling against America. Because it’s not okay. I just think we need to consider what can happen when you go messing with forces you shouldn’t be messing with.”

Yotch’s neighbor Dick Holiday disagrees and hopes Forrest’s remains will eventually be returned to Elmwood, where the Southern General was previously interred. “What the history-hating idiot next door needs to do is shut his pie hole and open up a donut shop or something,” Holiday said. “As soon as they move Forrest to Elmwood our neighborhood becomes the number one tourist destination in America for racists. That guy’s like Klan Elvis, am I right?”

Holiday says that, while he’s not personally a racist, he sees no reason why the area shouldn’t benefit economically by a sudden influx of hater money. “If I had financial backing I’d open a Civil War-themed cupcake shop. Or Rebel Yell SnoCones. Maybe a gun store and shooting range,” Holiday said. “You get Forrest, you get that tourist opportunity.”

“Yeah, I totally want that racist money too,” Yotch said, answering his neighbor’s complaint. “Who wouldn’t want a bunch of heavily armed peckerwoods with disposable income parking on their street?  But as good as that sounds, I don’t want it at the expense of a dark reckoning. It’s like in the movie Jaws when the town leaders knew there was a killer shark out there in the water eating people, but were afraid of losing business over the fourth of July. Only instead of a killer shark it’s a bunch of undead soldiers with bayonets and battle flags.”

“It’s nothing like Jaws,” Holiday countered, shrugging off his neighbor’s concerns. “That whole rebel graveyard thing is more like The Walking Dead.”

“More like Poltergeist,” Yotch shouted over his fence. “People died after shooting that movie,” he warned portentously. “And now they’re rebooting the whole franchise. This stuff never goes away. It comes back. It always comes back.”

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Wharton Wants Forrest Statue Removed From Park

Nathan Bedford Forrest statue in Health Sciences Park

In one of the many reactions to the murders in the Charleston, South Carolina church shooting last week, Memphis Mayor A C Wharton announced Thursday that he wants the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest removed from Health Sciences Park.

The recent attention that has been given to the dismissal of the Confederate flag from state capitals since the shooting has put more pressure on Southern political leaders to make a statement on any remnants of Confederate history.

“We are simply saying that there might be a more appropriate place,” said Wharton. “In the case of the flag, put it in a museum. Don’t put it out in common places. You see, we all have t

o drive down Union Avenue. It’s a common, unavoidable place. If someone wishes to see that, then go over to the cemetery in the peace of solitude, tranquility, and reverence and do it there. What Americans would say, I’d like to have a picnic in the shadow Bedford Forrest?”

Forrest fought in the Confederate army and is declared by many as one of the original leaders of the Klu Klux Klan, although any public involvement with the group is harder to pin down. Both his and his wife’s bodies are buried near the statue in Health Sciences Park. Their remains were originally buried at Elmwood Cemetery, but they were moved to the park in 1904.

The call for the statue’s removal comes only two years after the name of the park itself was changed. In February 2013, the park was renamed from Forrest Park to its current name in a vote by the Memphis City Council.

The final decision on moving the statue and the bodies would have to be made by the Memphis City Council, making the Mayor’s declaration just a declaration. Any decision would have to come from the council and will likely receive much opposition from groups such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Wharton made it clear that removal of other Confederate symbols, specifically the statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, around the city was a discussion for another day. His thoughts on the Forrest statue, however, according to the Mayor, are simple.

“We have an opportunity to just go ahead and remove this monument to a horrible time of the history of our state and nation,” Wharton said. “Let’s just do it.”

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What They Said (September 18, 2014) …

Greg Cravens

About Toby Sells’ cover story, “The Battle over Benefits” …

Let’s not forget, in the budget that was initially approved (and I quote the exact statement): “The city will continue to pay for the retiree health-care cost for persons not eligible for Medicare, and the city will identify ways to ease this transition of all impacted employees.” And then, the city pulled a fast one and no longer supplemented the pre-65-year-old retirees that are not eligible for Medicare. And there is also no mention of spousal carve-out. So the council didn’t have all the information when they based [the original budget].

Robin Miller Comellia

About Bruce VanWyngarden’s Letter from the Editor, “Let’s Go Krogering: A Rorschach Test” …

I hope that everyone learns an important lesson from the aftermath of this incident. If you feel you have the right to judge others, especially strangers, at least wait for all of the facts to be revealed. As long as people of all races are so quick to assume that every crime is motivated by racism, a world without racism will never even be a possibility, let alone a goal.

I thought this was a hate crime at first because of what was initially reported. The post I read stated that a group of black teens attacked a white man for no apparent reason, then attacked two teen Kroger employees when they tried to intervene. According to that information, it was a hate crime. Their target was a white man who appeared to be minding his own business, and the other two victims were only attacked because they tried to help. However, the attack does not appear to have been motivated by race, but by teen boredom. This is not just a problem in Memphis; I have seen it personally from Detroit to Memphis to small town Iowa.

What horrified me most about this incident at first was the number of people who stood around and laughed. Again, though, after getting more information, I found I was wrong again. The people watching didn’t understand what was really going on at first. Once it became clear that innocent people were being brutally attacked, people tried to help.

Christina Lacock Mauthe

Greg Cravens

It’s about time we moved the Bedford Forrest statue to Poplar Plaza. The gathered adoring, well-armed, flowers of the Confederacy will make it safe for families again, and all the concerned trollers from all over America will be a boon for business.

crackoamerican

Thanks for laying out a column without an agenda. Crime is bad, everywhere, inevitable, and occurs in all neighborhoods and walks of life.

Markell Jeffries

Comment sections are 90 percent trolls, 5 percent people who got lost and have no idea what box they are typing in. It is worth celebrating that the Flyer usually does so much better than the rest of the internet comment world.

I am angry, though, that no one is hearing that this was not a one-off aberration. This time there was a video, that’s all. Large groups of teens with their brains switched into a feral mob mentality have been terrorizing Poplar Plaza and other parts of town, from downtown out, for some time, and no one seems to care, until an embarrassing video leaks.

Hate, guns, pity, and denial. None is useful.

WSaffron

What if there had been no white people at all involved in this incident? Most likely the general public would dismiss it as “thugs being thugs” or some other such nonsense. We should not tolerate any such incidents, regardless of the color of the skin of the perpetrators or the victims. We are all human beings, how about we all start treating one another as such?

PatrickGSR94

About Chris Davis’ post, “Wendi Thomas Resigns Her Position at The Commercial Appeal” …

Good riddance. I might consider becoming a subscriber again… since she was the reason I dropped my subscription. She was a racist, race baiting, opinion writer… nothing more.

JustZero

It’s a shame. Didn’t always agree with her, but this town desperately needs more people in the media who are willing to call b.s. on it when needed.

B

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Letter From The Editor: Am I a Communist?

Hey Bruce:

When can we expect your article about Bennie Thompson? With one commie rag in Memphis do we really need another? I guess you get what you pay for and with this paper you don’t get very much. I never read your paper but decided to try the last two weeks. Report on the music and leave the commie garbage out.

I get a lot of emails from readers. Some of them are complimentary. Some are like the one above, which I received last week. Because I’m weird that way, I decided to look through the past two issues to see what “commie garbage” we’d published. I found a few things that might have pushed this guy’s buttons: my column supporting the state legislature’s decision to not pass “open carry”; a Viewpoint column by Juan Williams that criticized false GOP attacks on Obamacare; the Tom Tomorrow cartoons. Not much else, really. Yes, we lean liberal politically, but “commie”? I don’t get that.

But because I like pushing buttons, I wrote back to this fellow, who at least had the ‘nads to sign his real name:

Bennie is next week’s cover story. You might want to avoid picking up the paper.

(True confession: I had to look up Bennie Thompson. Turns out he’s the African-American congressman from Mississippi who called Justice Clarence Thomas an “Uncle Tom.”)

It didn’t take long for my new pen pal to write back:

Can’t wait. I’m sure you will call for the great general’s park to be named after him or a national holiday or renamed streets. When your guns and money are stolen from you and your (sic) out in Obama’s cotton field singing We Shall Overcome, don’t say you were not warned.

Really, the president who can’t even get the Democratically controlled Senate to pass a minimum wage bill is going to steal my guns and money? How exactly is this going to happen? The NRA has Congress and the state legislatures in its pocket. And due to increasingly permissive gun laws, more people than ever are carrying all kinds of firearms in public. If Obama’s going to start taking guns, he’d better step it up, quickly.

And taking my money? The stock market is booming and all the bankers and hedge fund managers who caused the great crash of 2008 are living high on the hog again. There’s no money left for Obama to steal. Wall Street’s already got it all.

I think I can assume with some certainty the “great general” the emailer refers to is the well-known commie fighter Nathan Bedford Forrest. We haven’t written anything about Forrest in the Flyer lately, but when we do, rest assured I will demand that all my sheep-like readers join me in the president’s official cotton field for a hearty chorus of “We Shall Overcome, Comrades.”

Bruce VanWyngarden

brucev@memphisflyer.com

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Ku Klux Klan Rally Is a Non-event in Memphis

A cold rain, massive law enforcement presence, and a malfunctioning bullhorn put a damper on a Ku Klux Klan rally of about 75 people protesting the renaming of Civil War parks including the one named for Nathan Bedford Forrest Saturday.

The group arrived in two city buses and gathered in front of the Shelby County Courthouse. They were enclosed by a chain-link fence and a line of uniformed police officers and sheriff’s deputies. There was no room to march, and members were not allowed to stand on the upper steps of the courthouse, so they crowded together on the sidewalk and lower steps.

Nearby streets were blocked off as they are during a presidential visit. Members of the media were corralled behind yellow tape across the street, and a group of protesters were similarly separated at the other end of the street, out of earshot of the Klan group. There was no interaction, and other than periodic shouts of “white power” it was nearly impossible to tell what the Klan speakers were saying. One sheriff’s assistant chief said the group did not have batteries for their bullhorn.

The law enforcement response was overwhelming, starting hours before the rally, which began about 2:30 p.m. There were hundreds of officers in riot gear, scores of vehicles, canine units, horse-mounted units, TACT units, armored vehicles, motorcycles, fire trucks, mobile command posts, and enough firepower to repel, or at least mount a fair challenge, to General Robert E. Lee’s Army of Virginia.

The purpose of the rally, such as it was, was hard to discern. A single sympathizer, a woman, carried a sign that said “Save Our Parks.” There were about a dozen Klansmen in robes and hoods — a wise fashion choice in light of the rain — but no masks were allowed. Some of the men wore dark glasses or camouflage hats. About a dozen of them carried flags of the USA, the Klan, and a neo-Nazi group. The speeches began about an hour after the scheduled 1:30 start time. Speakers took turns, but other than the white power chant and some vague denunciations of the “corrupt mayor and city council” it was hard for the assembled media to hear what anyone said.

After the first few speakers finished, several members of the group were smiling and taking photographs of one another, as were the assembled cops. The Klansmen and their friends shut down after less than two hours and boarded the two buses that took them back to the parking lot of The Pyramid.

What a way to spend a Saturday.

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Naming Committee Meets on Parks, Finds Agreement on Issues Difficult

The committee on renaming parks had its inaugural meeting Friday in the City Council conference room.

  • JB
  • The committee on renaming parks had its inaugural meeting Friday in the City Council conference room.

The City Council-appointed Committee on Renaming Parks held its inaugural meeting on Friday in City Hall and made plans for a second meeting on April 1st where the public can express its views in a town hall format.

If that meeting should feature as many disparate points of view as the one on Friday — and there is every reason to believe such will be the case — the public meeting could turn into a wild and woolly affair.

Such was not the case on Friday, inasmuch as the committee’s Council co-chairs, Bill Boyd and Harold Collins, did their best to insure that decorum prevailed and the committee members managed to disagree — and occasionally agree — in polite fashion.

But the variance in points of view was wide enough on what happened in the past — the Civil War portion of it, anyhow — that the chances of agreement on how to commemorate that past seemed remote. That was especially the case since Councilman Boyd, who did most of the moderating, expressed himself as being somewhat less than fully grateful for naming suggestions made earlier in the week by Mayor A C Wharton and Councilman Jim Strickland.

In a letter addressed to committee members, Wharton and Strickland proposed the name of “Civil War Park” for what had been “Forrest Park” and “Battle of Memphis Park” for what had been “Confederate Park” before the Council assigned placeholder names to the parks in response to pending legislation in Nashville that would have closed off their options.

Apparently miffed because the letter was made public before the committee had a chance to meet, Boyd expressed mild, possibly tongue-in-cheek displeasure at the start of Friday’s meeting about being “upstaged.”

The Rev. Keith Norman, current president of the Memphis NAACP, made it clear early in the meeting that he regarded the idea of paying homage to Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, a “slave trader,” as unacceptable and that the Southern Confederacy, whose reason for being was to further slavery, was a case of treason against the United States and therefore deserving of no honor.

That was one flank of the debate. The other was provided fairly quickly by Becky Muska, a late appointment by Boyd, who as head of the Council’s regular parks committee had taken on the responsibility of selecting all the members of the naming committee, the formation of which had been formally proposed by Strickland.

Muska, said Boyd later, had been recommended to him and was chosen because her ancestors had settled in Memphis early in the river community’s history.

Her explanation for the Confederacy and the Civil War was as distant from that of Norman as could be imagined. The 13 Southern states that seceded had done so not because of slavery, she said, but in defense of “states’ rights,” and their grievance was against high tariffs on Southern agricultural exports imposed by Northern manufacturing interests.

As far as Forrest Park went, it was an outgrowth of Progressive Era politics and had the support of Robert Church, a Memphis African-American eminence, she said. For all the volatility generated by disputes over Forrest and the Confederacy and the meaning of that aspect of history, “I don’t feel ashamed, and I don’t feel embarrassed.”

Opinions of the other members present were at all points of the spectrum in between the poles provided by Norman and Muska.

The other members of the committee, also present and taking part, were: Jimmy Ogle, current president of the Shelby County Historical Commission; Larry Smith, deputy director of Parks & Neighborhoods for the City of Memphis; Michael Robinson, chairman of African & African American Studies at LeMoyne Owen College; Douglas Cupples, former adjunct instructor of history at the University of Memphis; and Beverly Bond, associate professor of history at the University of Memphis.

Bond was just as insistent as Norman was that notice be taken of the negative side of Forrest’s history — including his involvement with the Ku Klux Klan as its first Grand Wizard — and that, in a general revamping of parks, the history of African Americans and their contributions be given their overdue attention and that accurate accounts of the Civil War period be accounted for. She acknowledged that the statue of Forrest and the gravesites of the general and his wife at the base of it were “not going anywhere.”

That point of view was also expressed by Cupples, who had begun the day’s discussion by suggesting that the task of updating the artifacts and monuments of Memphis history involved “adding to, not taking away.’ Cupples also argued that it was not the business of the committee to come to a consensus about the Confederacy, “whether it was ‘treason’ or not.”

Both Ogle and Smith also attempted to route the discussion away from forming conclusions about history. Ogle noted that the saga of Memphis was abundant with examples of every kind of historical development, telling “the story of American better than any other city,” and that ample potential parkland existed to pay tribute to any and all points of view.

Smith took the point of view that the committee’s purpose was to formulate guidelines for future development of park properties. “I don’t think we’re here to name a park,” he said bluntly (and somewhat surprisingly, given the publicly stated purpose of the committee).

Councilman Collins got in the last words at Friday’s meeting, commenting that Memphis was, “believe it or not, the 18th largest city in the nation, a metropolis,” and that “we want to be one of the nation’s largest progressive cities.” Consequently, he said, “our mission is bigger than our own opinions.” The committee’s task was to do what “benefits the city.”

Whatever that is is yet to be decided, of course, and the naming committee’s role, as Strickland noted afterward, was an advisory one. The Council will make any final decisions.