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Never Seen It: Steve Mulroy Watches Metropolis

Steve Mulroy is the Shelby County District Attorney. He is also a science fiction fan who founded the annual Shelby County Star Trek Day. In this edition of “Never Seen It,” we filled in a major gap in Mulroy’s sci fi movie viewing: Fritz Lang’s 1927 silent masterpiece Metropolis

Chris McCoy: Steve Mulroy, what do you know about Metropolis

Steve Mulroy: I know it is an old, black-and-white, silent classic by Fritz Lang. It’s a dystopian vision of the future, I think, of a city where the workers are exploited. I think this is the one that has the robots, Rossum’s Universal Robots?

CM: This was made after Rossum’s Universal Robots, which was a stage play, but it’s one of the first films to ever actually a feature a robot. 

SM: Got it.

CM: So, how this came about was, you texted me and asked, “Should I see Megalopolis or not?” And I was like, “Well, I don’t know …” And then I gave one of my typically too-complex film critic answers. Then, you were like, “Well, I wanted to see Metropolis first to prepare myself, because I’ve never seen it.” I was like, “Oh, you said the magic words!”

153 minutes later…

CM: Okay, Steve Mulroy, you are now a person who has seen Metropolis. What did you think? 

SM: I liked it! It was a little on the long side. 

CM: We said a couple of times, “I can see why they cut this.” 

SM: Yeah, definitely could use some editing, there. But no, I mean it was great. The plot was more convoluted than I expected. It wasn’t really simplistic, so it did keep my interest. I found it visually to be really impressive — not just for its time, but on its own merits. It was interesting, all the different architectural styles. You had some Gothic, you had some Art Deco, you had some Brutalist. Both of us were pointing out how it inspired things. I thought it was reminiscent of Modern Times in overall look.

Metropolis

CM: You definitely see visual echoes of it all over the place. Frederson, for example, looks like Moff Tarkin from Star Wars. And then the Thin Man is clearly the Darth Vader figure. Metropolis, the city itself, looks like Coruscant — or Coruscant looks like Metropolis, rather. And of course, the robot that becomes Maria, George Lucas basically said “For C3PO, I want something that looks like that!” All of Tim Burton’s movies comes from this. It was sort of the height of German Expressionism.

SM: You said earlier that this was the most expensive movie ever made up until this point. There were those huge sets! There were so many scenes where the screen just had thousands of people. 

CM: They tried to drown some children. 

SM: I know, right? And there are biplanes in the city of the future that looks very much like The Jetsons

CM: One of the things I love about looking at this now — and I’ve seen this movie a dozen times in various forms — it makes me realize that, when you’re trying to see what the future looks like, you can see it to a certain extent, but there’s stuff that you’re always going to be stuck with that’s in your reality, like biplanes. We’ve got flying cars, but they can’t have just one wing. There’s gotta be two wings! They couldn’t get past that. But there’s other parts that that they that they really nailed, like the video phone. I’m not sure television had even been conceived of, but I know there wasn’t actually a working television until a few years later. There was a lot of attention paid to information technology throughout. Fredersen, the head guy, is depicted as the one who’s at the center of this web of information. And then, when he wants to sow discord to disrupt the revolution that’s coming, he tries a deep fake, basically. Make the robot look like their leader, and tell them to do destructive things.  

SM: I was going to say the plot was more complicated than I thought, because I thought it was going to be simplistic: The workers are oppressed and the elite are exploitative, and then eventually there has to be some sort of revolution, or at least some resolution. It ends up being a little bit more convoluted than that. The industrialist tries to trick them into becoming violent so they’ll have an excuse to crack down on them. And then the twist is that the real bad guy, the inventor — it’s just nihilism, right? I mean, he just wants to burn everything. 

CM: He’s gonna destroy the whole city because he’s jealous of Fredersen. 

SM: So on the one hand, I give it credit for being a little bit more complicated and interesting than a simplistic plot. On the other hand, I could criticize it for being a cop-out, because the workers are sheep. They’re easily manipulated in one direction or another. Only the noble people who decide to lead them, kind of like a white savior thing, have any agency. 

CM: And you did point that out while it was going on. It was like, wow, the masses of the people are just changing their mind on a whim. 

SM: It just takes one demagogue, and not even a full speech! Just a couple of sentences into a demagogue of a speech, and they’re ready to turn.

CM: Let’s go! 

SM: So the solution is not workers asserting their rights. It’s some sort of, I don’t know, half-assed, let’s all learn to live together …

CM: It’s a centrist movie.

SM:  (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

CM: But the background is, this is 1927 in Germany, right? It’s 10 years after their defeat at the end of World War I. On their eastern border is the [Russian] Communist revolution. At this point, Lenin was dead, and Stalin had cracked down, so that’s the bogeyman to them, you know? 

SM: That makes sense. If the message is anti-communist but pro-worker, I guess that makes a little more sense.

CM: I think the ultimate message is, you don’t have to go too far, because if you smash the whole society, then we’re all gonna die. The flood’s gonna come and we’re all gonna die. Which is what they were seeing next door to them. But it’s also very much an admission that the workers were in a bad spot.

SM: It was definitely sympathetic to the workers. And so the theme, which they hit over your head with multiple times, is that the heart has to be the mediator between the head and the hand. What exactly does that mean? Is it some sort of like, mixed economy message? I don’t know.

CM:  Are we asking for too much from this?

SM: Maybe. 

CM: I’m with you. I want the text to give me answers. But is that what it’s supposed to do? Maybe it isn’t what he set out to do? I don’t know. It’s a centrist movie. 

SM: Yeah, it is like, we don’t have to go that far.

CM: Freder, the son, he switches place places with a worker.

SM: It’s like The Prince and the Pauper

CM: He doesn’t even make it through a whole shift. He’s like, “Whoa, this is too much!” He can’t cut it down there. What does her [Maria’s] solution look like when they want to save the children at the end? You take them to the rich people’s place, to the Hall of the Sons. Evacuate to the pleasure palace. 

SM: I thought that was good, and it made sense. Then there was the whole Whore of Babylon thing, which was an interesting side note. It definitely trafficked in the Madonna/whore binary, which was probably a product of its time.But notice the evil effect that the robot Whore of Babylon has in the upper classes. It makes them more decadent and dissolute. In the lower classes, it makes them violent. I just found it sort of an interesting dichotomy.

CM: There’s also this whole biblical thing. There’s a digression into the recreation of the story of the Tower of Babel …

SM:  Slightly changed. 

CM: Yeah, because it becomes like a …

SM: … a class warfare thing.

CM: Which is not what that story is about!

SM: I have to say I am actually pretty impressed with how sophisticated at all is, visually and thematically. When I heard it was 1927, I was expecting something really primitive. 

CM: Some of those composite shots are incredible! I counted one, it had ten elements! The miniature work is incredible. too. 

SM: Every shot where they were using miniatures or whatever to show the city from different angles was elegant and beautiful, and kind of striking. It compares favorably to some stuff from many, many decades later.

CM: There’s a reason people have been ripping this movie off for a hundred years. 

CM: The actress who played Maria, Brigitte Helm, she’s incredible. I love watching actors do this in a movie, where they’re playing two different versions of the same person, and you can tell which one is which by the way they hold their shoulders. 

SM: She does it very good job of portraying the dichotomy between the two versions of Maria. I’m forgiving the overdramatic, of its time, big acting because you don’t have the addition of the sound. You don’t have the words, right? So you’ve got to just use facial expressions and gestures to convey everything. I get all that. What bothers me about it, though, is everything takes too long. A reaction that should be a couple of seconds is 10 seconds. I don’t know if it was just the style of the time or whether it was a technical thing that they couldn’t cut as nimbly.  

CM: I think part of that is stylistic and part of it is the people who are watching this originally did not have the visual vocabulary that’s been built up over the last hundred years that you and I do. There’s a trope that you see a lot in American films from the ’30s and ’40s, where, if they want to change locations, there’ll be an exterior shot, and you see the car drive up. We wouldn’t bother to do that. 

Brigitte Helm as Maria.

SM: I give it a lot of credit. It’s more intelligent than a lot of movies that are made nowadays. 

CM: God, yes!

SM: I’m not a purist. On the one hand, I do want to respect the director’s vision, so I can understand why people don’t want to colorize movies, or whatever. But I almost wish that there was floating around a more tightly edited version of this, just so that it would have a better chance of getting wider distribution among the general public. 

CM: Well, there were! There’ve been a bunch of cuts of it over the years. We were watching the fully restored version. But that’s why some of it was lost for a long time, because it was cut way down for the American market. This version was pieced together out of several surviving negatives, one of which was found in Argentina. 

SM: The slimmed down version that was shown to the American market, did it have that missing sequence where the father and the inventor fight it out? 

CM: No. 

SM: So that was never shown? 

CM: No, that was never shown. That’s why it’s lost. 

SM: In those versions, did they have a title card that explained it? 

CM: No, they just cut it out. 

SM: That seems like a pretty essential scene to just not show. 

CM: Exactly. I think that was part of the reason why people didn’t understand it. You have a balance: this version is the completest version, and it is draggy in places, but you get the full sweep of the story. What was shown in America for a long time was butchered so badly that the plot hardly made any sense at all. There was a version that was released in the ’80s that was restored by Georgio Moroder, and it was colorized, but it was a really early colorization experiment. That’s the version that most people our age had seen. I think it’s like 90 minutes long, has songs by Freddy Mercury. It’s more like a giant music video. That’s when I was first introduced to it. I think probably on Night Flight, late night music video TV. A lot of people like to rescore it, too. One my favorite movie theater experiences of all time was an Indie Memphis screening where the Alloy Orchestra did a live score in front of an absolute packed house at The Paradiso, and it was amazing.

SM: I was just trying to think of all of the iconic sequences that this seems to have inspired. 

CM: King Kong carrying Faye Wray up to the top of the building.

SM: I think the machinery sort of inspired Modern Times

CM: Definitely Modern Times. Then Vertigo, the whole bit in the cathedral at the end. Hitchcock lifted the visuals on that, straight up. There’s so much more. People will use little riffs from it, too, because it’s taught in film schools. 

SM: Frankenstein, with the inventor’s labs. 

CM: Yeah, Freder hallucinates at the drop of a hat. Like, you need to chill, you know? I think it inspired Foundation, the city-planet of Trantor.  

SM: Even those party scenes look like Baz Luhrmann’s Great Gatsby

CM: I also noticed this time the machine man. That’s a whole Kraftwerk album.

SM: I thought it was odd that they called it the machine man since it was so obviously a woman. 

CM: Rotwang is just a a great villain. He’s got the mechanical hand, like Dr. Strangelove, which you pointed out.  

SM: He’s got the wild hair. He’s got scientist hair. 

Alfred Abel as Joh Fredersen, Rudolf Klein-Rogge as Rotwang, and Brigette Helm as The Machine Man in Metropolis.

CM: The boss Joh Fredersen, is like capital, right? The workers are like labor, right? And then there is the church, which is Maria, and then there’s an actual church, too, the cathedral. Rotwang is science. But Rotwang is the ultimate villain in the piece. It’s science fiction, but then there’s this anti-intellectual element to it, too.  

SM: Right. But it’s also anti-Luddite. 

CM: It is anti-Luddite, because it’s like, we have to have this progress. When they smash the machines, everybody dies. These are still debates that we’re having today, because we’ve never really gotten a good answer to them. Like you pointed out, the film doesn’t come to a satisfactory conclusion, either. They managed to lay out the problem, but they did not come to a satisfactory conclusion.

SM: Like you said, it’s probably unfair to expect a five-point plan at the end of it, but there was a through-line there. It was sympathy for the plight of the workers, but anti-Luddite, and anti-extremism. 

CM And anti-violence. Violence is not gonna solve these problems. What’s your bottom line? Would you recommend people out there in TV land watch Metropolis today? 

SM: If you are a cinephile you definitely need to see it, or if you’re really interested in history. I would recommend it for the average viewer, but I’d have to warn them that it’s a little patience taxing. I think maybe for the average viewer, I might recommend the slimmed down version. 

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Never Seen It: Watching Top Gun with Muck Sticky

Muck Sticky is a Memphis rap legend. He has traveled the world bringing his party music to the stoned masses, and he shows no signs of letting up. He just released his 16th album, the 22-track Man in Pajamas

Back before the pandemic delayed the release of Top Gun: Maverick, Muck mentioned to me that he had never seen the original Top Gun. I asked if he would do a “Never Seen It” with me. Now, more than two years later, The Sticky Muck joined me remotely from his new place on the beach in central Florida to watch Tony Scott’s 1986 summer blockbuster. Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity. 

Chris McCoy: Tell me what you know about Top Gun

Muck Sticky: I don’t know much. I know the “Danger Zone” song is from Top Gun, I did watch Hot Shots! a whole lot when I was growing up. Mostly what I know about Top Gun is what I saw in Hot Shots!, so I’m hoping it lives up to it.

CM: Well, that’s a unique perspective. You’re going to get some jokes that never made sense before. So, why haven’t you seen Top Gun? Is it just one of those things that you missed over the years? 

MS: In all honesty, growing up, my cousin liked Top Gun a whole lot, and I didn’t like my cousin. So I just kind of didn’t want to watch it. 

CM: Okay, we’ll see if that instinct was right! 

110 minutes later…

CM: Muck Sticky, you are now a person who has seen Top Gun. What did you think? 

MS: I went to the Danger Zone and took out all the MiGs! 

CM: Was it what you thought it was going to be? 

MS: I expected a whole lot of flying montages, and there were a lot of those, with music. That was pretty cool. I totally get a lot more of the Hot Shots! references now! It makes a whole lot more sense. 

CM: Of course, the flying sequences are just incredible. 

MS: Fantastic! Great footage! [Jerry} Bruckheimer, I see why he’s stayed as prominent in the industry as he has. 

CM: Bruckheimer is responsible for the most expensive movie ever made. You know what it was? 

MS: No. 

CM: It’s Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger Tides—$410 million. 

MS: Wow. 

CM: The director was Tony Scott, who was Ridley Scott’s brother. His movies always looked incredible. 

MS: The cinematography is amazing. I found myself really getting into the just the way it looked over all, you know? Especially those epic shots where he’s riding the motorcycle with the sunset behind him. It’s kind of silhouetted. I mean, I’ve seen those images, before but seeing the movie in its complete form is really spectacular. I was thoroughly impressed. 

CM: Those motorcycle shots… I probably haven’t seen this movie since the nineties. It’s been a long time. This time, I noticed the motorcycle shots. It’s the same shot, like, three or four times.  He’s going around a corner and going down a street with palm trees. He probably spent an afternoon driving around in circles. It was like, “OK, Tom! Go around the block one more time!” 

“Drive around the block one more time, Tom!”

MS: Boy, they really got their money’s worth on the licenses for “Take My Breath Away” and “Danger Zone” and “Great Balls of Fire” and “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling” I think I heard those songs a half a dozen times. 

CM: Let’s talk about the music, because the soundtrack was a very big deal. 

MS: I really liked hearing a lot of Memphis in there—Otis Redding “Sitting on The Dock of the Bay” and, of course, “Great Balls of Fire!”

CM: Harold Faltermeyer was responsible for the synth score. My high school marching band did a medley of “Danger Zone”, “Take My Breath Away”, and the “Top Gun Theme.” What did you think about the synth score?  

MS: Yeah, it was cool. I can see where Stranger Things and modern shows that are going back to that stuff came from. There’s even bands that are using that sort of sound, and I can see where that score inspired a lot of stuff. 

I love a score that has a feel to it, that gives the movie a feeling. I think he captured it really well. It fits the movie perfectly, you know what I mean? I didn’t ever catch myself noticing, you’re watching a movie. You want to get lost in a movie, and I got lost in it. It’s hard to do that. I’m usually taken out of it, whether it’s from bad acting or music that doesn’t fit. There are several movies where I feel like certain musical elements don’t fit, like Django Unchained — “100 Black Coffins,” the Rick Ross song, just doesn’t fit. It takes me out of the movie. 

CM: I totally get it. I’m the same way. The Dune movie that came out last year was great in every respect, except the score. It’s Hans Zimmer, who has done a lot of great stuff. But the score was just like…

MS: I’ve seen the old Dune

CM: This one is a lot better than the old one. I love you, David Lynch. I’m sorry to say this in a public forum, but yeah, the Dennis Villeneuve Dune a lot better than the old one, except for the score. It was just a puddle of mush, didn’t shape it at all for me.  I kept noticing how good the score was in Top Gun, though. You were right — it is all montage. The aerial photography, first of all, is amazing, right? But if you think about it, all they had was planes flying around and doing various maneuvers. They had to put all that together in the editing room to try and make it look like there’s a dogfight going on. 

MS: Back in those days, they just sent guys up with cameras like, just shoot a bunch of stuff and we’ll figure out how to make it work.

CM: That’s exactly what happened, and to a certain extent that’s what happened with Top Gun: Maverick too! It’s always been like that, though. Have you ever seen The Aviator? Martin Scorsese?  

MS: Yeah, for sure! Leonardo! I love that one. 

CM: There’s that bit of where they’re filming Hell’s Angels, waiting all day to fly the combat sequences until the clouds were right. Because if there’s no clouds, you can’t tell if anything’s moving.

MS: You talked about the motorcycle shots being duplicates, but I noticed a few of those “target locking onto the aircraft” shots were duplicates, too.

CM: Or it’ll be the same shot, but it’s flipped left to right? I probably wouldn’t notice as much if I weren’t married to a film editor.  

MS: I probably wouldn’t had I not edited a couple of films and so many music videos! But, you know, I love it. I feel you on being connected to editing. For me, that’s the magic of movies. You script something out, then you capture sometimes more and sometimes less than what you were hoping for. When you get home, you have to craft it in a way that makes sense. For them to just send guys up with some cameras saying, ‘Get what you can and we’ll make it work in the story,’ man…It was really pieced together very well, I thought.

Tom Cruise feels positive emotions about his F-14 in Top Gun.

CM: Young Tom Cruise. Now, he’s old Tom Cruise, but he still looks good. In Top Gun, he looks noticeably younger. 

MS: Oh, yeah, for sure.

CM: What did you think about Maverick, and Tom Cruise’s performance in general? 

MS: To be honest, it didn’t get me right away. I felt like everybody else was doing more acting than he was. But then there was the scene when Goose died — spoiler alert, I guess!

CM: It’s cool. The whole thing about “Never Seen It” is that everybody else has seen it except you. 

MS: When Goose died, and he was got emotional about that, I felt like he was more upset about it than Meg Ryan’s character was, and she was his wife. I really bought into it. I did notice his unibrow quite a bit. I didn’t know he sported the unibrow so hard back in the day.

CM: One man, one brow, I say. 

MS: I guess it kind of goes with his uni-tooth in the front too. 

CM: What!?

MS: So I don’t know if you ever noticed, but his teeth are kind of aligned to one side. Like, there’s one that’s directly in the center. 

CM: Oh god. I won’t be able to see anything else but that now. 

Don’t look away from Tom Cruise as Pete “Maverick” Mitchell in Top Gun.

MS: But he’s Tom Cruise! He’s is the biggest movie star on the planet! I think that’s right. Is he the biggest one? Who’s the biggest movie star on the planet? 

CM: It’s got to be him. He’s going to make $100 million off Maverick, Who can compete with that? 

MS:  I’m going to see Maverick. It’s still in theaters, right? 

CM: Yeah. 

MS: We have an IMAX here, so I’m going to go check it out this week. I’ve got Hot Shots! pulled up right now!

CM: To me, Top Gun is the most Eighties thing ever made, the distillation of the Reagan eighties. There’s this military worship, but it’s also incredibly individualistic and competitive. 

MS: Everybody’s competing with everybody at all times.

CM: It makes being a dick look like virtue. Maverick is a complete dick. If you watch a lot of Eighties movies, you’ll notice the protagonist is usually an asshole.  Like Purple Rain — which is one of my favorite movies of all times, but if you think about it, Prince’s arc is, he’s a complete asshole at the beginning, and he’s slightly less of an asshole at the end.

MS: Just slightly. 

CM: He’s improving, and I guess it’s the same for Maverick. When he’s a wingman, he abandons his flight leader, and that ends badly. The second time, he’s a good wingman. He learned the lesson when it counted.

MS: That’s kind of like what the Hero’s Journey is about. Any mono-myth is about taking a guy who’s already one way and transforming him into something else. He has to change through the arc of the story. The Eighties, back then everybody was very, very competitive. I don’t know what the right word is for it, is but for me, artistry is about helping us find our softer sides, the better side of ourselves. Working through our pain to find our better selves. I think moviemakers and musicians and artists across the board take what’s going on currently in the world, and try to express how they feel it could be better, you know? 

CM: Yep. 

MS: Maybe that’s why he learned that lesson and becomes a little bit better of a dude, throughout the course of the movie. He ends up hugging his rival. 

CM: Yep. 

MS: The end, that’s the artist in the movie maker, wanting people that are rivals and competitors to bond and be friends. We’re on the same side here. That’s what we, as artists, want to do in the world: we take the division, and we want to create unity, you know? That’s what I do in my music — I want to bring people together through music. 

CM: You think art should ultimately have a pro-social message. 

MS: I guess so. The evidence is there that we’re always going to be competitive. That never goes away. But at the same time, you get that good feeling when he says, ‘You can be my wingman!’ ‘No, you can be mine!’ and they hug.

CM: You just made me think of something. Top Gun is a product of the late Cold War — the Reagan eighties, American capitalism, competition, and individualism. And it was borderline propaganda for the Navy. 

MS: Maybe not just borderline!  

CM: Right, so have you ever seen Battleship Potemkin? It’s a Russian movie made in 1927 about a mutiny against the Tsar that started on a ship in Odessa harbor. It’s definitely a Soviet propaganda movie. There’s not a central protagonist. There’s not a guy who you focus on and follow his story the whole time. It’s all about the movement of groups of people who decided together to rebel against the Tsar. You can see the values of these two societies — or at least the values these societies thought had propaganda value!

You know, ’86 was still the Cold War, and the Russians were still the big bad guy. That’s who they were training to fight at Miramar. But the Russians are not the bad guys in Top Gun. You would think that they would be, but the bad guys who they actually kill at the end are just sort of “the enemy.” 

MS: They never really say who it is. It’s never against any one people. It’s funny you say that, I did notice that I caught myself laughing, wondering who the bad guys were. They were just bad guys.

CM: Is this is one of the most homosexual movies ever made, or is it just me?

MS: The vibe very much made me think of working at Adventure River back in the day, like how big volleyball was back then. I did catch a lot of that. The volleyball scene, that’s the part where it’s the most out there.

CM: If you start like looking for it, it’s everywhere. Like the pilot in the ready room going, “This guy’s giving me a hard-on!”

MS: For sure. I will say, the love scene with Tom and Kelly McGillis, I totally expected there to be some food or something, because of Hot Shots! They break an egg on the girl’s stomach. Where did that come from?

CM: I think they were making fun of 9 1/2 Weeks there. 

MS: Oh yeah. That’s one I’ve seen once or twice. Now that you say that, it makes sense.

CM: Top Gun has a classic Eighties love scene, in that there’s a blue light for some reason, and a saxophone playing in the distance. 

MS: Everything’s in silhouette. I totally expected there to be some nudity, but there wasn’t.

CM: This is the age of the erotic thriller! There was nudity everywhere! The way he came on to her in the bar was a little weird. 

MS: What do you mean?

CM: He followed her into the bathroom. You couldn’t get away with that today. It’s creepy. I mean, back in my dating days, I’ve known guys who have done that. And now that I think about it, there’s one specific instance when somebody followed the girl that I was trying to get with into the bathroom, and it totally worked. She went home with him instead of me.  

MS: I remember a time when some girls followed me into a men’s bathroom. So, you know, it happens. 

CM: So, bottom line. Would you recommend people watch Top Gun?

MS: Absolutely, especially if you like movies that engage you with just a fantastic display of moviemaking. I have massive respect for the craft of movie, because I know what it takes to make them and how difficult it is. And people often write off movies just because of the content or something, but Top Gun definitely exceeded my expectations. 

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Never Seen It: Watching Inherent Vice with Indie Memphis’ Knox Shelton

Earlier this year, Knox Shelton became executive director of Indie Memphis after the departure of former director Ryan Watt. Preparations for the 24th edition of the film festival, which will run from October 20-25, are well underway, but Shelton took a few hours out of his busy schedule to watch a movie he’s never seen before: Inherent Vice (2014, available at Black Lodge). Our conversations have been edited for length and clarity. 

Chris McCoy: What do you know about Inherent Vice

Knox Shelton: I know that it is a film by Paul Thomas Anderson, adapted from a novel by Thomas Pynchon, starring Joaquin Phoenix, Reese Witherspoon, Josh Brolin, Owen Wilson, a ton of other pretty well-known actors and actresses. 

CM: Why did you pick this movie? 

KS: One, it’s been on my watch list for a really long time. I’ve probably not watched it for the same reason that I’ve owned a copy of Gravity’s Rainbow for I don’t know for how many years, but I’ve never read it. And I told myself that I would read the Pynchon novel before watching the movie, and that’s probably not going to happen. So, it’s time to just watch this movie. And we’ve got the festival upcoming, so I was trying to find some great connections there. One of our films this year, C’mon C’mon, is starring Joaquin Phoenix, so I thought this would be a great film to watch. 

150 minutes later…

CM: OK! Knox Shelton, you are now someone who has seen Inherent Vice. What did you think? 

KS: I thought it was really good. It was really funny, which I don’t think I expected going into a Paul Thomas Anderson movie, given his most recent films. It’s definitely a movie, I think, to watch a few more times, to let it all sink in. I was immediately drawn into loving the dynamics between Bigfoot and Sportello. They were a really fun little pair. 

CM: I have watched it a whole bunch of times and I see new stuff in it every time. Paul Thomas Anderson took the novel and did the whole thing in a screenplay format, and then edited it down into this movie. What really struck me this time was that this is Pynchon doing hard-boiled detective language. If you think about it, The Big Sleep and stuff like that has very flowery dialogue. But you don’t think of it as flowery, ’cause it’s being growled by Humphrey Bogart. That’s what I was really listening to this time, the musicality of the dialogue — really throughout the whole thing. Everybody kind of talks alike, but it’s just so beautiful that you don’t care. 

KS: You’ve got this Big Lebowski element, where you’ve got the stoner detective. But the dialogue is so much more elevated, and of course other elements of the film, I think, are a little more elevated too. It’s really artistic and delightful throughout. 

CM: I think you’re right that there is a straight line from The Big Lebowski to this movie. When this movie came out, a lot of people did not get it. I had a conversation with Craig Brewer where I was like, “Oh my God, have you seen this?” And he was just like, “Meh.” I fell in love with it immediately. But he was like, “People are whispering. I can’t understand what’s going on. They’re talking about characters who are never seen on the screen.”  Well, yeah! But it really works for me. I have a real emotional attachment, I guess, to this movie. 

Owen Wilson as Coy and Joaquin Phoenix as “Doc” Sportello

CM: So, you’re a head of a film festival now. How do you sell something like this to a festival crowd? It’s kind of an “eat your vegetables” thing for some people. But on the other hand, like you said, you were surprised that it was funny. 

KS: That’s a good question. I think I’d want to highlight that it was a funny and entertaining movie. You also have to be upfront about it too, right? ‘Cause I think you can tell someone it’s entertaining, but they’re probably not expecting two and a half hours. Paul Thomas Anderson’s gotten really good at the slow burn, and this to me was a slow burn, but it was funny, and you still get a little bit of that reward at the end that you get with a lot of his films. 

CM: You’re right, it’s got a great ending, an emotional wrap up like Boogie Nights. Are you generally a PTA fan? 

KS: Yeah, generally. Ahead of this, I re-watched The Master. My wife had not seen it, so we watched that this past weekend. I hadn’t seen this or Punch-Drunk Love

CM: A lot of people love that movie, but I am not a fan. 

Joaquin Phoenix as private investigator “Doc” Sportello.

CM: What did you think about Joaquin Phoenix?  

KS: I liked Joaquin Phoenix. I think he’s done some great stuff. In The Master, his performance really stuck out to me. That was, I think, a very physical performance. Not to move away from Joaquin, but to go back to this: it’s a period piece, but it’s not obsessed with being a period piece. You feel it in the dialogue, with Manson, paranoia…

CM: The Mansonoid Conspiracy! 

KS: This came out around the same time as American Hustle, which is just obsessed with being a period piece. This has none of that feel at all, which I think is great and feels very natural, very contemporary. 

CM: There is a lot of subtext about the end of the sixties, and the corruption of the counterculture. Sportello is a total creature of the sixties counterculture, a hippie to the bone. He’s shocked when Shasta shows up, wearing what he calls “flatland gear.” It looks like it’s about a real estate scam, when it starts. That’s basically Chinatown, you know? Then it sort of wanders off from there. Did you feel like you could follow the plot? 

KS: Yeah, reasonably so.

CM: That’s good, because I think to a lot of people, it seems like gibberish. 

KS: I feel like I could capture it. Maybe I’m being overconfident. That’s definitely why I said I need to rewatch it. I got the commercialization of the counterculture, and especially the real estate part of it. I was not real clear on how we got to Adrian Prussia. 

CM: That’s a big plot hole that they hang a lampshade on. The narrator Sortilége says something like “he threw himself onto the karmic wheel.” He’s the guy I haven’t checked out yet. So it’s a very loose connection. But then it turns out to be the key to the whole thing. You know, the basic film noir structure is pretty simple: The detective just goes and bounces off one person after another until he solves the crime. Or not. 

Joaqin Phoenix as “Doc” Sportello and Josh Brolin as “Bigfoot” Bjornsen.

KS: There’s something with Paul Thomas Anderson and male friendships, and it’s in this movie, too. There’s something kind of fun and sweet about it. Sportello and Bigfoot have these dynamics that are established in our society all around us. You’ve got Doc, the hippie, and Bigfoot this sort-of Republican, super buttoned-up man. Yet they’re able to understand each other on a deeper level than just sort of, “Hey, we’re both detectives.” There’s something very sweet about that connection. 

CM: Turns out when Sportello finds out that Adrian Prussia killed Bigfoot’s partner for the Golden Fang, he’s like, “Oh my God! I understand this guy now!” He has empathy for him, you know? Then there’s Benicio del Toro, the lawyer, which is another conflicted male friendship. “Clients pay me, Doc. Clients pay me.”

Benicio del Toro and Joaquin Phoenix.

Lemme ask you: Sortilége, the narrator. Do you think she’s a real person? 

KS: I mean, no. It’s interesting. He’s using Joanna Newsome, who’s got probably the most otherworldly voice I could imagine, and using her for this character that kind of just floats in and out, and sometimes she doesn’t even have a body. Until you asked the question, I didn’t think about it, though. 

CM: Seriously, I had watched it a couple of times until I realized, she’s not actually a person, she’s just in his mind.

KS: Wait, there’s a scene when they’re in the car together, towards the beginning, where she just kind of fades away. 

CM: You see them in the car, then the angle reverses, and she’s gone. She’s his internal monologue. And she also fills that film noir voiceover role. You know, “That’s me, floating dead in the pool …”

Joanna Newsome as Sortilége, Phoenix, and Katherine Waterson as Shasta

KS: It’s a very film-y movie without being overly film-y. I think of Boogie Nights, where the opening scene has a very Spielberg feel, like he’s like paying direct homage. He doesn’t do that here. It feels natural. 

CM: The cinematography is incredible. 

KS: Yeah, all the blues and yellows. I keep thinking of that opening and closing. It’s not quite the closing shot, but the ocean in between those two buildings, it’s a beautiful, beautiful start to a movie. It’s a really gorgeous, gorgeous film. And I heard y’all kind of react to it, at the end when he’s driving with Shasta, and the lights are coming in, right in his eyes. It’s got this sort of dream-like light. It’s almost like they’re floating in the air. 

CM: It’s full of these weird dualities, and fascists lurking in the background, like the Jewish builder who hangs around with Nazis. And the bit, “Is that a swastika?” “No, that’s a Hindu symbol of luck.” Nah, it’s a swastika tattooed on that guy’s face!

KS: It goes back to what I was saying about Sportello and Bigfoot — the more liberal hippie Sportello and the very conservative, super buttoned-up cop who were able to get along.

CM: And the Black Panther who comes in and tries to hire Sportello to find out who killed his Aryan Brotherhood friend. 

Joaquin Phoenix and Michael K. Williams

KS: And rest and peace to Michael K. Williams. I did not know he was in this movie. He just passed away. 

CM: I didn’t realize that was him! I mean, seriously, the cast is amazing. 

KS: Oh yeah. Maya Rudolph is in like, what, two scenes maybe? She’s just the receptionist! 

Maya Rudolph’s (center) cameo in Inherent Vice.

CM: One of the things I like about film noir, and you see it in this movie, too, is that everybody’s playing a game against everybody else, and everybody’s a rational player. Everybody’s looking two or three moves ahead, which allows the dialogue to be very subtle because everybody’s anticipating each other’s moves. That’s one of the things that appeals to me about noir. Everybody’s smart and savvy. But real life is not like that at all. People are stupid. If you expect rational actors, it’ll mess you up. I’m very distrustful of people. 

KS: And that’s on steroids in this with all the paranoia that he’s already feeling from the pot. 

Coy’s (Owen Wilson) surf band’s pizza party becomes The Last Supper.

CM: Sportello doesn’t actually solve anything! He gives the dope back to the Fang and Shasta just comes back on her own. 

KS: He helps out Coy, which seems like the most insignificant of all the connections that are made. And you’re like, “Wait, so the end prize is that he gets to go home to his wife and kids? Like, okay, great.” 

CM: Maybe that’s what’s challenging about it: This movie’s not holding your hand. It presents all the information, but you gotta put the work in. And to bring us back around to Indie Memphis, maybe that’s what you want out of festival movies. It’s not just passive viewing. Right? 

KS: No, absolutely not. I think one of the things that we find really important is that the festival is finding films that do a good job at that in such an entertaining way — this is a really good example — and then making sure that there is a conversation, because films like this deserve a conversation like we’re having here. Whether that be from our local filmmakers, whether that be from national films, they all deserve a really thoughtful conversation. That’s what the festival is really all about — being able to celebrate creative and artistic endeavor and give it the honor that the work deserves through thoughtful conversation and celebrating the artist. 

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Never Seen It: Watching All the President’s Men with Memphis Flyer Editor Jesse Davis

In my semi-regular Never Seen It column, I find an interesting person and sit down with them to watch a classic (or sometimes, not-so-classic) film they have missed. This pairing of subject and object may be the most perfect one ever. Jesse Davis recently took over the reins of the Memphis Flyer from his semi-retiring predecessor Bruce VanWyngarden. Davis had never seen the greatest film about journalism ever made, the 1976 political epic All The President’s Men. Our conversation has been lightly edited for length and clarity.

Chris McCoy: Jesse Davis, what do you know about All the President’s Men

Jesse Davis: Almost nothing. I know it’s based on a book of the same title by Woodward and Bernstein, and that it’s about their investigation into the break-in at the Watergate hotel. And that’s it.

138 minutes later…

CM: We’re on the record with Memphis Flyer editor, Jesse Davis. You are now a man who has seen All The President’s Men. What did you think?

JD: I really enjoyed it. It was absolutely excellent. It was a great story. I know Watergate and Nixon is one of those areas of U.S. history that attracts a lot of people, and for some of them, I’m sure, it’s because they have seen this movie. But it has struck me as something that was kind of like JFK’s assassination. There were a few events that are understandably interesting, but some of the people who are really, really, really into them do not … um … do not emit an aura of being really well put together.

CM: That’s diplomatic.

JD: I mean, like I said, I can understand the interest, but … 

CM: They’re obsessions of the dirtbag left, is what you’re trying to say.

JD: That might be one way of putting it.

CM: Guilty as charged.

JD: You know, there are some things where most of the people who are interested in it, you’re like, “Oh God, are you guys okay?” I think some of my first contact with people who were really obsessed with Watergate was like that. But not everyone. I mean, it’s notably interesting. The whole truth and power and accountability dynamic is just as important today as it was in ’72. So, I mean, it’s understandable why folks would be interested. But I say all that to say that I never dove really deep. I’ve not read the book. It’s absolutely interesting to see them follow the trail.

CM: It’s a journalism procedural story, which you don’t see a lot of now. I mean, procedurals are like three hours on CBS every night, but it’s always law enforcement. It’s never journalists anymore. One of the things that’s interesting to me about this film is that journalists are the protagonist. You know, Superman was a journalist. Then there’s My Girl Friday, and lots of others. Wasn’t Mary Tyler Moore a journalist for a news station? But you don’t really see that much anymore. There was Spotlight a few years ago, which was great. Maybe part of it is that it’s just people sitting around in rooms talking.

JD: Or talking on the phone!

CM: But also, part of it is, there was a shift where people don’t trust journalists absolutely anymore. Watching it this time, I think it’s interesting that a lot of what they were doing seemed to be responding to a narrative that the Washington Post and other papers were creating together at the same time. It struck me that a lot of what the disinformation plague does is to destroy the possibility of a central narrative. So you don’t have to prove that you didn’t lie. You just have to make it so the truth is not actually knowable. That’s a big question that’s hanging over this movie: Is the truth knowable? Or are these people, in fact, like you said, “not very well put together”? Bernstein is clearly not very well put together.

JD: This is true. He’s smoking cigarettes constantly — in a restaurant, in other people’s homes, in other people’s cars, in the elevator …

CM: The elevator smoking is funny. It’s the only time anyone comments on it.

JD: Whoever the cinematographer is, [ed note: Gordon Willis] is doing things to make shots of people talking on the phone visually interesting. Maybe that’s one of the main differences, but I’m sure a lot of law enforcement is actually pretty boring.

CM: Those procedurals on CBS every night, they’re just mostly people talking in rooms, too. But every now and then, they run around and wave guns at each other.

A split diopter shot from All The President’s Men. Notice the blurry region between Redford in the foreground and the group gathered around the TV in the background.

CM: I pointed out a couple of split diopter shots, which is a thing you put on the front of a lens that has two tinier lenses with different focal lengths. There was the one shot where Woodward’s on the phone in the foreground, and I guess they’re watching some kind of sports match in the background. There’s two different planes of focus in the same shot. This is not done in post-production. It was done in-camera, live. Right when Woodward gets the information he’s looking for, the people in the background cheer. It’s real subtle. You just don’t see that anymore. 

JD: It was set up under the sign for the national news desk, which I thought was nice. There’s whatever game was on the TV, and then there’s this national game going on, and Robert Redford just scored.

JD: Another thing I noticed is, when Redford’s going into the parking garage, and when they’re at work, you see all of this space around them. They’re lost in all this, whether it’s the architecture of the parking garage or the columns in the newsroom, and trying to find their way out. We know that they’re the figures we’re supposed to be paying attention to, but you see all of the Washington Post newsroom, or all of the parking garage, or a big part of the D.C. skyline. At one point, I think it was Robert Redford, maybe, walking with the Washington Monuments behind him. They’re these huge buildings, and he’s just this tiny little figure. I loved that repetition, and the difference in scales. 

CM: There’s very much a sense of millions of people going on with their lives who have no idea that what this guy is doing is going to change history. It’s going to bring down the president.

Woodward meeting “Deep Throat” in a parking garage.

JD: A line I love, early on, is when their editor says about the story, “It may just be crazy Cubans.” The idea of someone saying that about this story! As an editor, that’s a pratfall. You just don’t know. There may not be a story. 

CM: That was going to be my next question. You’ve been editor of the Memphis Flyer for what …

JD: Six weeks now.

CM: Ben Bradlee, who was Jason Robards, is just an absolute legend in the industry. What were you thinking about when you were watching him?

Jason Robards as Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee

JD: In the beginning, everything is set up to make you feel like he is maybe one of the forces who wants to kill the story, for whatever reason. Then there’s a scene where they talked about how it could put them in legal trouble. And for all you know, it could. There’s a little while before he has this moment where he tells them about a time he screwed up, but he got the story right. But it’s a while before we get to that point, and all of his concerns are completely justified. He’s just like, look, you’ve got to have multiple sources, especially if these people aren’t letting us name them. You have to corroborate this. But we can’t know if that is really his justification, and it’s all in service of good reporting. If so, that’s great, but there’s a little bit of tension there — especially the more you start to think, “OK, there are some layers of conspiracy going on. How do I know that they didn’t get to him?” When [White House spokesman Ken W. Clawson] calls him panicking and says, “I got a wife and a family and a dog and a cat,” he’s on a first name basis with [Bradlee]. And you’re like, he’s editor of a big paper. Maybe pressure has been put on him. But then, once he gets to the point where he’s satisfied, he puts out his statement: “We stand by the story.” I’m going to keep these guys on it.

CM: And that was a crisis point in the story. That’s after they’ve been burned by their sources on purpose, to throw them off.

 JD: He sensed that was what was happening.

CM: What’d you think about the actual, nuts and bolts of reporting in 1972? How does it compare to what the experience is like today?

JD: Well, first of all, Memphis Flyer is not a daily, so it’s a completely different thing.

CM:  You do one layout a week. Those guys were doing layouts every day. You know, the editorial meeting scene is so fascinating to me.

JD: I love that scene. They go around, and everybody says what they’re working on, and then it’s okay, go around again. This time it’s just the really short pitch. And this is how much space you get. That was, that was great, and very different.

Hoffman, Redford, Robards, Jack Warden as Post local editor Harry M. Rosenfeld, and Martin Balsam as managing editor Howard Simons.

CM: Currently, our editorial meetings take place on Slack. But we still sit around and talk about what we’re going to put in the paper. There’s still magic in that moment, to me. There’s a romance to it, I guess.

JD: I think so, too. I mean, it’s different. They’re the Washington Post, and we’re an alt-weekly, we’re the Memphis Flyer. It’s the ’70s. It’s 2021.

CM: Not a computer in sight.

JD: When they’re going through the list of names, I thought, “Oh my God! Imagine doing this without the internet!” It’s a completely different thing. But there’s still a huge amount of talking on the phone. Now, it’s just Slack, but before the pandemic, when I was the copy editor, I walked back and forth between different parts of the office all day, every day. So there are still elements that are the same. But yeah, the editorial and layout meetings, I think are incredibly magical. They have a big enough staff that it’s like, “What things have y’all been working on that are now ready for us? What’s ripe?” There’s an element of that, but I expect you’re going to have a film review every week.

CM: There was the moment where they’ve been knocking on doors, and they haven’t produced any copy for two weeks. You know how much copy I’m expected to produce in two weeks?

JD: Oh yeah.

CM: They have an enormous amount of resources we don’t have, that barely anybody has outside of The New York Times or the Post or the Wall Street Journal has now.

JD: To just be able to send somebody on assignment, and tell them to keep going until you turn something up or don’t … If someone’s working on a cover story, sometimes there’s a really quick turnaround, but often, that’s something you are taking back and forth between the back burner and the hot burner until it’s scheduled to go. But it’s not like we don’t do research.

CM: Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that we don’t do research, because we absolutely do. That’s most of my time, really. But to be able to fly down to Miami, barge into the D.A.’s office, and demand they talk to me, I can’t imagine doing that and being treated with anything but contempt. It’s a great moment in the movie, because he plays this trick on the receptionist, but there’s no way I could get into the D.A.’s office, and then the D.A. does anything except have me arrested.

Hoffman, Penny Fuller as Sally Aiken, and Redford work the phones.

JD: Sometimes, you see, in a work of fiction, someone who’s a magazine writer or a newspaper writer, and they appear to have a huge budget and really flexible deadlines. And you’re just like, “Well, that’s fiction. That’s based on an old idea, a different time period.” It kind of makes me think of hard-boiled films and private detectives. How would Philip Marlowe or Sam Spade go over today? The industries are different, and the laws that have continued to grow up around policing and investigative journalism are different.

JD: One thing I noticed in two of the TV clips was, you’ve got someone talking about their sources and he uses the word “unsubstantiated.” In another, they were talking about the political leanings of the editor of the Post. First of all, just to have someone holding national office say the word “unsubstantiated,” that felt very strange, um, particularly after the last four years or so.

CM: Trump would have said, “Fake News! Enemy of the state!”

JD: Exactly. It’s the same with, “I think we can make a safe assumption about his political leanings.” I’m paraphrasing there, but that’s very different from “They’re the crooked Democrats, and we all know they want to take us down!” But it’s all of a piece …

CM: It’s the evolution of that rhetoric, which began with Nixon.

JD: You could say it’s based on logic, and maybe it is. Now, we have mutated or evolved this line of defense so it is just the quickest and most direct route to an emotional reaction: I’m under attack by these people, and you should — to use the phrase they used in the movie — circle the wagons. I’m going to protect my president from these rats.

CM: You got the sense that the people who were in Nixon’s inner circle, the Republicans he was ordering to take these illegal actions had a lot more autonomy back then. The give and take in this part of the drama is, are they going to do their duty to the country and the Constitution, or are they going to put party first? You know what they’re going to do now.

JD: Oh, well, of course!

CM: They’re going to put party first. Donald Rumsfeld died today, the day we’re recording this. Back in the Rumsfeld era, the ’00s, after 9/11, I used to sometimes read this blogger — it was the blogger era, too — called The War Nerd. One of the things he liked to say was, the more organized side is the one who usually wins. He also used to say, “The end of the world is what you call it when your tribe loses.” I feel like what we’re seeing today is like the evolution of that thinking, which is, frankly, pure fascism. That’s the definition of fascism: I have loyalty to this narrow in-group, right or wrong, rather than loyalty to the Constitution, or to the greater good, or to the nation. My faction is what’s more important. And I felt like it was really obvious from this film how far we’ve sunk.

JD: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that’s without question.

CM: And yet, in the Trump years, or so far, anyway, the same systems held that held against Nixon, pretty much. It just felt like a much closer thing this time.

JD: Yeah, I think so, too.

CM: Did it make you reflect on what your duty is as an editor of a paper?

JD: Well, first of all, I gotta get a good “shut the hell up” look.

CM: You gotta get that.

JD: That’s important. I’ve got to stay cool under pressure, and then know when it’s time to start dropping F-bombs, and just say, “Well, it’s only the fate of democracy and free speech. Don’t fuck it up, or I’ll get mad.” His responsibility to the truth, and to getting the reporting right, seemed to be the highest ideal. Obviously, how that affects our paper and our image is incredibly important. Everything flows from telling the story accurately. That seems to be his primary action in the film. So that first day you’re not reporting it well enough, I gotta tell you to dig deeper, and then recognize that we’re now in hot water. I will stand up. I’m with you guys. You’re showing up at my door. It’s late at night. You’re saying it’s not safe to come inside.

CM: I’m telling you we’re being bugged by the CIA. Do you believe me?

JD: Okay, let’s have this conversation on the lawn. I like to think that if any of our writers show up at my house and tell me that, I’m glad it’s the CIA! I’ll say, “God, we’ve got an amazing story here.”

CM: I’d say, “You’re aware you work for the Memphis Flyer, right?”

JD: In some ways, they lucked into things because of having people just take calls, which doesn’t happen now. Someone got into the rhythm of answering questions and said something they shouldn’t have. I don’t know that we’re necessarily going to get that as frequently as they did just by cold-calling people. Then there’s their little routine of casually dropping a piece of information that we want confirmed.

CM: We’ll pretend we already know it.

JD: Yeah, exactly. Or, we’ll argue about the details of something that we think we know, but we’re not sure we know. And then, if there’s no issue from your interview subject about the thing in question, it’s like, okay, now we really are talking about it.

CM: I actually had an opportunity several years ago to pull the “I’m going to give you some initials, and I want you to say yes or no” gag. I felt like such a badass! But the only reason I knew to do it was because of this movie. So would you recommend All the President’s Men to people?

JD: Oh, wholeheartedly. I think if you walk away from it feeling like, “This was a David and Goliath story, and I believe that can happen because it did happen and they were successful,” then that’s great. If you walk away from it thinking, “Those were some cool shots,” that’s great, too. If you walk away from it with “The truth matters and I want to help tell it,” well, that’s even better.

 

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Never Seen It: Watching King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962) with Podcasters Mason Barton and Stephen Hildreth

With the arrival of Godzilla vs. Kong in theaters and streaming, I sat down to revisit the classic 1962 film King Kong vs. Godzilla with someone who has never seen it. Mason Barton is nine years old — the prime target audience for kaiju films. He reviews movies in his new podcast with Stephen Hildreth, a filmmaker who partners with Mason’s father Chad Allen Barton in the Memphis production company Piano Man Pictures. I edited our conversation for length and clarity.

Chris McCoy: It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen this movie.

Stephen Hildreth: I have never seen this movie.

Mason Barton: GO KONG!

CM: You’re rooting for Kong. What do you know about this movie?

MB: Absolutely nothing.

CM: Stephen, what about you?

SH: I know nothing about this movie.

MB: King Kong and Godzilla are going to fight, and they’re most likely going to end up fighting something else, because they would never say who would win or who would lose.

97 minutes later…

CM: OK! Mason and Stephen, you are now people who have seen King Kong vs. Godzilla. What did you think?

MB: It was great! I liked the stuff that didn’t make sense. It was funny, weird, and had really good fight scenes.

CM: The fight scenes were outstanding.

SH: They were really great.

CM: Some of the best in any Godzilla movie, I think. And they used everything! They had guys in suits, they did some stop motion. At one point, it was just a couple of hand puppets going at it. And the octopus! That was a real, live octopus, wasn’t it?

SH: Yeah, that was impressive. All of the practical effects were kind of amazing, like the entire sequence with Kong, where it’s rear projection, and we’re looking through the train car. Cut around to the reverse, where they have the little doll for him to carry, to look like the woman. That was all brilliant. I loved the real, live octopus. 

MB: Wait, what?

SH: The octopus that attacks Kong on the island was a real, live octopus.

MB: Is it that big?

SH: No, they just shot it to look big. They’re pretty big, but not that big.

MB: I have a question. The balloons they used to carry Kong—why were they yellow?

SH: I think those were weather balloons.

CM: So, Mason. You were rooting for King Kong. Do you think Kong won?

MB: Oh yes. He beat up Godzilla so hard, Godzilla just straight up left.

CM: That’s true. But there was that earthquake there at the end, so we don’t really know what happened while they were fighting underwater. I feel like if there hadn’t been that convenient electrical storm, Kong wouldn’t have won. He got re-energized. But since when does Kong get power from electricity? He’s like, Electro-Kong.

SH: WWE owes a lot to movies like this. It’s scripted like a wrestling match. Hulk Hogan totally stole his honk-it-up move from Godzilla. Watching this, I’m convinced. There’s a lot of little contrivances, but I’m willing to accept it to see two giant monsters fight one another.

CM: You’d think they could unite in their love of property damage. At the end, when they’re fighting over that giant pagoda, both of them were just like, “Yeah, let’s just smash this pagoda, then get back to fighting.”

SH: That reminded me of one of those bonus rounds of Street Fighter where you get points for just smashing the car.

Be glad that’s not your pagoda.

CM: Mason, why were you for Kong?

MB: Because I think he’s just cooler. And it’s a little bit unfair. Godzilla’s got like, five powers. And King Kong still just came around and beat the crap out of him.

CM: Stephen, what was your rooting interest?

SH: I was rooting for property damage.

CM: We’re all winners.

SH: There was a part at the beginning where I thought they were teasing that they would both be fighting Mechagodzilla. Maybe that was something they were teasing for the new one?

MB: I thought that the entire time, too.

SH: Like it was going to be, oh no, this is not really Godzilla. It’s evil Mechagodzilla.

CM: No, this was 1962. Mechagodzilla didn’t come along until about 1973. Terror of Mechagodzilla, in 1974, was Ishiro Honda’s last Godzilla film. It’s actually really good. All the Ishiro Honda films are. I mean, you could tell which parts were the Japanese parts and which parts were the American parts, couldn’t you?

MB: Yeah.

CM: The American parts were just three white guys standing in front of a sheet. But Ishiro Honda was a genius. He was also Akira Kirosawa’s favorite assistant director. He went from Terror of Mechagodzilla to Kagemusha and Ran.

SH: There are some really nice compositions in this.

CM: It’s gorgeous!

SH: And the matte paintings! Especially on the island, when they get there. We just reviewed the first Coming to America for our little thing. That was the one knock that I really had for Craig [Brewer]’s version. When you get to Zamunda in the second one, the palace doesn’t feel as epic as it does in the first one, Maybe it’s because it’s CG. Really, the palace, it’s not that big on the set. It’s just a matte painting beyond that, but I’m a sucker for a good matte painting. Cause they’re just gorgeous and they look fantastic. The ones in this were all incredible.

CM: All of the special effects were just perfectly executed. There’s just something about the guy in the Godzilla suit, stomping on little miniature buildings, you know?

SH: When he falls into the hole, after they have that whole blast setup to trap him, it has such a human quality, even though it’s this giant monster falling into hole. ‘Cause it is just a guy in a suit. Maybe it’s something like that that makes me identify with Godzilla. His face is a little inviting to me. Kong’s is kind of horrifying, a little bit…

MB: A little weird.

Kong faces off against an actual octopus on Skull Island.

CM: Have you seen the original King Kong?

MB: I tried to watch it for a little bit, but I couldn’t get into it.

SH: Black and white? Stop motion animation?

MB: Yeah.

CM: Do you not like black and white?

MB: No, there’s been one or two I’ve seen that I liked.

CM: What don’t you like about them?

MB: Usually, they’re so old, the sound is real bad. It’s not like I don’t like the black and white photography, as long as the sound quality is good.

CM: I get that. They perfected shooting in black and white long before they perfected sound. So you’ve never seen any Godzilla movies?

MB: None. The only thing I’ve ever seen close to this stuff is Kong: Skull Island.

CM: Well, you were the target audience for this in 1962. As time went on, they got a lot weirder. Three years later was Invasion of Astro Monster, which is probably my favorite. It’s got goofy aliens in UFOs, and I just love it. But at some point, you should go back to Ishiro Honda’s original Japanese version, Gojira. Have you ever watched a film with subtitles before?

MB: Yes, and I do not like it.

CM: Well, if you feel like trying it, the original Godzilla is an entirely different vibe. It’s genuinely scary. So, are you going to see Godzilla vs. Kong?

MB: Yes! I’ve already put a bet on it.

CM: You got your money on Kong for that one, too?

MB: Yes, but what I’m also thinking that they’re just going to team up and fight somebody else. And then that means that the person I bet with, we’re both going to get $15. 

Kong calls this move the “Arbor Day.”

CM: Did you feel like Godzilla was the bad guy in this movie?

MB: Yes.

CM: And what about Kong? Did he feel like a bad guy? 

MB: Not really.

CM: Kong is always sympathetic, because he was just minding his own business, and people come and Kong-nap him from his island. And whose bright idea is it to take the giant ape into the middle of New York City, anyways? Hey, let’s put him on Broadway! It’s just stupid. Carl Denham is the real villain of King Kong.

CM: I thought one thing was interesting. If you watch King Kong now, when they’re on Skull Island at the beginning, the racist caricature of the natives is really obvious. I can totally see a Black person watching this and saying, I’m not finishing it. You kind of have to divorce the special effects masterpiece part of it from that part. But in this film, they felt like they had to do the Kong origin story again. So they felt like they had to go and do that part again, too. But it’s Japanese people trying to do it. So maybe it’s not as racist, or it’s racist in a weird way I don’t even understand.

Kenji Sahara and Tadao Takashima get their first glimpse of King Kong.

SH: They’re still doing like, a form of brown face with those characters, but they’re Japanese people doing it.

CM: Some of those people were just different flavors of Asian, with darker skin, without much makeup. But some of them were obviously people who were painted up. And what’s even weirder is, it felt like a critique of colonialism, almost. Here were these guys in pith helmets giving cigarettes to the native children. Classic colonialist move. Those guys looked like buffoons. But when they were making the American cut, they were like, leave that stuff in there! Americans can relate to that! Those English punch-ins, they probably cost like $200 total. It was two white guys in front of a curtain explaining what happened.

SH: Yeah. It seemed like there were a lot of news reports in this.

CM: They’re not in the original. It’s more of a traditional …

SH: … flowing story.

CM: I guess the American producers thought there needed to be a play-by-play and color commentary on this thing.

SH: I wanted the United Nations Wide World of Sports, where Howard Cosell calls the fight between King Kong and Godzilla. That was the one thing that I was aching for at the end of the film. You get a little bit of that from the guys in the helicopter.

CM: I was just rooting for all the humans to die.

SH: They’re the real villains. Kong is the reluctant hero. Godzilla, he was asleep and his home, and they just busted up into his place…

CM: … with atomic weapons. And now he’s all radioactive. Like Mason said, the atomic fire breath really gives Godzilla the advantage. He can just roast Kong from afar.

SH: That’s why in the new one, they give him an axe.

CM: Kong’s got an axe?

SH: A giant axe, and he blocks Godzilla’s fire breath with it.

CM: I mean, why not just give him a lightsaber?

SH: And a Captain America shield. Let’s just throw all the properties in there.

Godzilla demonstrating the Flying Lizard technique.

MB: I would say the best scene of the entire movie is when Godzilla kicked King Kong. That looked amazing.

CM: And the tail flip!

MB: That was good too!

CM: It’s fun to watch it and say,”That’s how they did it!” And it’s fun when you say, “I have no idea how they pulled that off.”

SH: Their trickery was amazing. That was a great thing to see. I’m really glad you asked us to do this.

CM: OK, final verdict, Mason, would you recommend other people watch King Kong vs. Godzilla?

MB: Yes, and you should watch it before you watch Godzilla vs. Kong.


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Never Seen It: Watching Casablanca with Poet Kim Vodicka

Humphrey Bogart as Rick and Ingrid Bergman as Ilsa in Casablanca

Kim Vodicka released her third book of poetry, The Elvis Machine, earlier this year. Her sharp verses veer between the cynical and romantic, dissecting love in the connected age. She had never seen Casablanca, the 1942 film considered to be one of the greatest romances of all time. Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

Chris McCoy: So what do you know about Casablanca?

Kim Vodicka: So, black and white, 1940’s, Lauren Bacall, Humphrey Bogart. “Here’s looking at you, kid.” I don’t know the context of that line. I assume it’s Bogey talking to Bacall, hitting on her or flirting with her, but I really, I have no idea.

Chris: It’s Ingrid Bergman, not Lauren Bacall.

Kim: Okay. So yeah, I really know a surprising amount of nothing about this movie.

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102 minutes later…

Chris: Kim Vodicka, you are now a person who has seen Casablanca. What did you think?

Kim: I liked it. It was somewhat difficult to follow, maybe at first. I’m kind of bad with history stuff. The love story…I think my impression of it going into it was that it was going to be more powerful. It didn’t move me as much as I thought it would. However, I LOVE the end! I was basically on Team Laszlo the whole time. It seems just a little unbelievable that she would consider staying with this dude that she just had kind of a fling with in Paris, really. But there’s also a suggestion that maybe her claiming to still be in love with him was a sham the whole time. Not in Paris, but in Casablanca, when they reunite. But I guess the deal is that they actually were in love. I feel like they kind of leave it somewhat open to interpretation there, but the commonly accepted thing, I guess, is probably that they were still in love.

Chris: Casablanca was shot in the fall of 1942. America had been in the war for less than a year at that point. All the people who are in Ricks, the refugees, many of them were actually refugees. That’s why all the bit parts are so good, because those people were European movie stars who had fled Nazi Germany. Conrad Veidt, who plays Major Strasser, was a big star in Germany. Peter Lorrie, who was Ugarte, was the murderer in M, one of the masterpieces of German expressionist cinema. And a lot of those people would go on to have huge careers because of Casablanca.

Peter Lorre (right) as Ugarte, the ill-fated human trafficker.

Kim: I feel like I was expecting like a tear jerker, but it wasn’t really pulling my heart strings really in that way. But it definitely gave me chills, like in a lot of different places, for reasons that are difficult to explain, but not just because of the story. For whatever reason, the love story felt somewhat…it’s not like it was implausible, but the fact that they admit that they didn’t really know anything about each other, yet were so in love. I just feel like I don’t relate to that.

Chris: I think one of the things that made it hit so hard at the time is that there were people in this situation. This was not an implausible story. I mean, it’s contrived—it’s Hollywood, you know? But there literally were a lot of couples who’d been separated by the war. And then at the end, when, when he sends her off on the plane…well, there were a lot of people sending their boyfriends and girlfriends off on planes, you know? There were a lot of situations where people had like brief, but intense, flings, because it was like, “This is the end of the fucking world.”

Kim: Well, I kept thinking about it in terms of now, and I was like, wow.

Chris: It was a moment when democracy was in crisis, when the democracies of Western Europe had fallen. I don’t know if you caught the Vichy thing, but when the Germans occupied France, the capital was no longer Paris—it was Vichy. That’s why Captain Renault was like, “I blow with the wind, and right now, the wind blows from Vichy.” And then at the end, when Renault has the Vichy water, which is Vichy’s famous product, sparkling water. He looks at the, at the label, he’s like, oh, it’s from Vichy. And he throws it in the trash can.

Conrad Veidt as Major Strasser and Claude Rains as Captain Louis Renault. Veidt, a refugee from Nazi Germany, made a Hollywood career out of playing villainous Nazis.

Kim: That was like one of my favorite parts! At the very end, the guy who’s playing both sides the whole time is like, yeah, I’m finally a good guy. I thought the love story, or the relationship, between Ilsa and Laszlo was totally fucking amazing and powerful. I just wasn’t buying the Paris fling was Bogey. It wasn’t registering emotionally with me.

Chris: The dig on Paul Henreid, who is Laszlo, is that he is kind of wooden and stiff.

Kim: I guess that says a lot about me.

Rick Blain (Humphrey Bogart), Captain Renault (Claude Rains), Victor Lazlo (Paul Henreid), and Ilsa Lund (Ingrid Bergma) meet in in Rick’s Café Américain.

Chris: No, it’s totally legit. I think it’s really interesting, because, from a societal point of view, she has to end up with him. Rick and Ilsa have an adulterous relationship, even though they didn’t know that it was, because she thought Laszlo was dead. The moral structure of it is that both of those relationships are legitimate relationships. But she has to go with Laszlo, because they’re married.

Kim: Why would she even consider leaving Laszlo? He’s like a total gangster.

Chris: He’s a journalist.

Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo

Kim: I really, really enjoyed it. I feel like I need to watch it again. One of my favorite movies is Chinatown, which has a very convoluted plot. And that’s a movie where I’ve seen it so many times, but it’s almost like I see a new thing in it every time. This is maybe not quite that level of complexity, but I definitely need to watch it at least one more time, because it was moving quickly, and sometimes my brain just works a little differently.

Chris: It moves really quickly. And it’s still, to this day, a fast mover.

Kim: Especially when I’m not super brushed up on my history.

Chris: This would have been like making a movie about 9/11 in 2002, right before the Iraq War.

Rick waits for Ilsa.

Chris: Humphrey Bogart is one of the greats. He suffers better than anybody. Especially when he’s in the closed bar, waiting for Ilsa to show up.

Kim: And he’s like, “Play it, Sam. Play it!”

Chris: And Sam, of course, is the voice of reason throughout the entire thing. Everything Sam says is right. He’s like, “No, you should just let it go. Don’t get in the middle of this. She’s nothing but trouble for you.” Yeah. That’s exactly right. But then, Rick would never become a hero.

Dooley Wilson as Sam, the piano player at Rick’s Cafe Americain.

Kim: I love the part in the casino, at the roulette table, after the younger girl talks to him about wanting to leave with her lover and he’s basically like, trying talk her out of it. But then, all of the sudden, he goes and helps the dude win the money they need to get their visas. I thought that was cool.

Chris: So what’d you think about Ingrid Bergman?

Kim: One of the things I couldn’t stop thinking about is, she’s Isabella Rossellini’s mom, right?

Chirs: Yes.

Kim: I kept thinking about that so much throughout. I love Isabella Rossellini, and I’m a huge David Lynch fan. So I’ve seen Blue Velvet like 7,000 times. So I found myself fascinated by comparing like their facial features. And I find the way they, like, their elocution is strange and similar. But, yeah, she was great. Her eyes…those sparkling eyes!

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Kim: “Here’s looking at you kid,” that happens three times. I was surprised by that. I thought it was just like the one and done, but it’s like their thing.

Chris: It functions differently each time.

Kim: Yeah. Because at first, they don’t want to talk about their past. So he’s like, “Here’s looking at you!” And then the next time, she didn’t want to think about the present.

Chris: The last time is when he’s trying to convince her to go with Victor. It’s what puts her over the top, I think.

Kim: Yeah. The end is just so great.

Chris: I’m glad that you like Chinatown. When you learn screenwriting, they teach both of those scripts. Because everything works within itself. You have little conflicts and emotional payoffs. And in every scene, there’s something that connects to the neighboring scenes, before it and after it, and then there’s something that connects with some other scene in the movie. There’s big structure, and there’s small structure. Everything that seems like a random detail in the first half turns out to be a setup for something in the second half.

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Chris: So what do you think it feels contemporary? Do you think that it has something to say for today?

Kim: I couldn’t help, but think of how politically scary things are now. Things are very different, but it’s been about 80 years since World War II or thereabout, and it’s just interesting to me how history repeats itself. It doesn’t even feel like something that happened so long ago, It isn’t the same, of course, even though it sort of is the same human behavior in action. It really feels like at any point now the world could start going in a similarly awful direction. I think a lot of people are feeling that, and I’m trying to talk about this without going into too much of an extremist version. But here’s a lot of panic and fear. I’m trying to avoid dialing into that here. However, I think that there are good reasons to be afraid, and I could not stop thinking about it while watching Casablanca.

Chris: The Nazi occupation seems a little bit more immediate now, I think, than it has ever has before. I totally got that this time. And the fascists, they always act the same. There are different languages and different faces on it, but they all act the same.

Kim: I loved when the Nazis are singing their national song, and they kind of take over the bar, and then Laszlo stands up and starts singing, uh…

Chris: “La Marseillaise”.

Kim: Yeah. And then everyone else starts singing along, and they drown out the Nazis.

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Chris: It’s like a rap battle. This movie is one dance number from being a musical. Did you notice that?

Kim: Yep. That would be interesting.

Chris: Especially at the beginning, when you’ve got so much Sam, who was played by Dooley Wilson. He was a musician. He had a career. People knew him. It would be like having Drake sing in your movie.

Kim: I got that impression, even though I did not personally recognize him. I got the sense that he must’ve been famous in the time.

Chris: So it’s like, here’s a song, and then here’s one of the most efficiently constructed scenes you’ve ever seen in your life. And then here’s another song. So there’s tension, and then you release it with a song. But that only happens in the beginning. As it goes on, towards the end, the music goes away. And that really ratchets up the tension.

Kim: There’s a lot of that kind of play with extremes. It was really interesting to see the flashback scene and how Bogey’s character is like a chiaroscuro, you know? Cause he’s this curmudgeonly, beleaguered, cynical dude, and then you see him how he was before. And it’s such a transition. It also shows his incredible range as an actor. Really, really cool.

Chris: It’s subtle. It’s not like he’s like jumping up and down and going, “I’m so happy with you, Ilsa!” He’s just a little looser in his body language.

Kim: Exactly.

Chris: And he smiles when he looks at her, too. He doesn’t smile at all through the rest of it. He suffers better than anybody.

Kim: He’s like, pulling some Hamlet shit.

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Chris: To show you how well constructed it is, there’s one major thing that absolutely falls apart if you think about it too hard: The letters of transit. Really, the Nazis could have just grabbed Ilsa and Laszlo at any time. They didn’t recognize laws if it they got in their way. And just because they have these letters of transit, it doesn’t mean they’re going to allowed to go on the plane. In fact, it takes Rick basically nuking his life to get them on the plane. But you don’t think about, because goes by so quick, and nobody questions it.

Kim: Right. I was actually starting to feel like something really bad was going to happen towards the end, which I guess they’re kind of setting you up for that. Like maybe their plane was going to get like shot down or something.

Chris: It says a lot that you were willing to go there in your mind, you know what I mean? There’s a lot of times when a movie would be like, “Oh, that’s the star. Nothing’s going to happen to them.” But by the time you get to the airport, you’re like, “Man, they could really kill Bogey.”

Kim: This is all the 2020 up in here. We’ve had movies like No Country for Old Men, where like, that’s like perhaps the most shocking death ever. Heroes can die. We’re in a completely jaded, cynical world at this point. So that’s the world that I’m living in, I guess.

Chris: Yeah, it is a cynical world, but one of the things this movie is about is overcoming cynicism. That’s Rick’s whole arc. He’s cynical and neutral, because he’s had his feelings hurt. He’s got to get where Laszlo is. “The problems of three little people ain’t worth a hill of beans in this world.” I think it still feels very relevant, because I think that’s what we need to do right now. It’s about overcoming cynicism and overcoming fear, too.

Kim: Yeah. There was a lot of hope, and there’s faith in the good of humanity that I was getting out of it out of watching the movie, which was nice to feel. We don’t get enough of that.

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Never Seen It: Watching Being There with Craig Brewer

Peter Sellers as Chance the Gardener in Being There.

Craig Brewer is Memphis’ most successful filmmaker. His 2005 film Hustle & Flow earned 

Three 6 Mafia an Academy Award for Best Song for “Hard Out Here For a Pimp” and gave us the Bluff City anthem “Whoop That Trick.” His critically acclaimed 2019 film Dolemite Is My Name gave Eddie Murphy the comeback vehicle he deserved and blackspoitation auteur Rudy Ray Moore the most inspiring biopic of the decade. He reunited with Murphy to direct Coming 2 America, the long-rumored sequel to the beloved 1988 comedy, which is scheduled to be released by Paramount this December. 

For this edition of Never Seen It, we sat down to watch a classic movie he had somehow missed over the years: Hal Ashby’s 1979 masterpiece Being There. Our conversation has been edited for clarity and length.

Chris McCoy:  What do you know about Being There?

Craig Brewer: I know that it is a movie with Peter Sellers, and I know it’s the movie that, when I say I haven’t seen it, I get the most shocked looks and a little bit of consternation and judgment.

McCoy: What do people say? What’s their judgment?

Brewer: Well, they assume that I’ve seen it. They assume that I love it, and that I will love it. They always bring up Hal Ashby. I like his movies, so why haven’t you seen this one? And to be honest with you, I never associated it with Hal Ashby. I’ve owned it both in VHS and DVD and Blu-ray, and I have the Criterion release in L.A., but I don’t know why I never popped it in. I see images from it constantly.

130 minutes later…

McCoy: Craig Brewer, you are now somebody who’s seen Being There. What did you think?

Brewer: I really enjoyed it. It made me think about a lot of other movies. There’s what I enjoy about watching it, and then there’s what I’m kind of in awe of that has nothing to do with me just sitting down, being a normal viewer. That’s knowing how difficult one particular job was on this movie. If you watch the credits — and unfortunately, you don’t get to really see her credit because there’s this reel at the end of an outtake that you can’t help but enjoy. But it is very hard to get a single credit during a scroll in a movie. Not many people get that. I remember having to fight to get Sam Phillips, because I dedicated Hustle & Flow to Sam Phillips. Hustle & Flow has a scroll in its closing credits, but I wanted there to be a completely blank moment where it says this film is dedicated to the memory of Sam Phillips. I had to kind of jump through hoops to get that kind of credit. I don’t know if you’re aware, but there was one in the scroll.

McCoy: I was watching the blooper reel.

Brewer: Yeah. It’s Dianne Schroeder. I want to learn everything I can about her because she had the hardest job on this movie. She was in charge of collecting all of the television footage. I think that’s a third of what makes the movie what it is. I may be even short changing her contribution. That’s the one thing about movie-making that I’ve really come to understand: There’s so many people that you don’t know who they are, but they made something great. I will never forget this moment when we were shooting Black Snake Moan, and I said, “Hey, let’s do one of those Jaws vertigo shots. Do y’all know what I’m talking about?” And the crew starts giggling and they start pointing at the dolly operator. “Well, Craig, why don’t you talk to him about this? Because he’s the one who did it.”

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So there’s all these people that are responsible for a Steven Spielberg movie, a Hal Ashby movie. You know, not that I’m anywhere near that, but a Craig Brewer movie is all these other people contributing something. I’ve had to ask, what do you want on the television? I remember on Dolemite Is My Name, sitting down with the woman who’s in charge of television research. I said, “Well, I know that in the movie Rudy Ray Moore is filming, he’s going to be shooting at the feet of somebody like ‘Dance, motherfucker, dance!’ It’s an iconic Dolemite moment. I feel like I’ve seen that somewhere before, and it’d be great if it was on the TV in the background, while Rudy Ray Moore is on the phone. Can you get me something like that?” And this woman — I’ve forgotten her name, much like Dianne Schroeder—this woman went through everything she could find in television and movie history of where someone’s shooting at someone’s feet in the same “Dance motherfucker!” way. The closest we got was apparently a Bugs Bunny short that we could not procure the rights to. But she did find this old, black-and-white Western where a guy was shooting at somebody’s feet. And it is on in the background in that scene. But I mean, we’re talking weeks of her scouring, trying to find that one moment. And then the rest of it is me getting a big ole reel of stuff and saying, “Do you want this commercial?”

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But in Being There, sometimes what is happening on television — he likes to watch television — is actually enhancing the scene that we are seeing in the movie. Like if that wonderful scene with Big Bird singing wasn’t that song, then I don’t know if that scene would be as good. So I’m very curious about which came first, the chicken or the egg? Was the director saying, “You know what be good is if we had this Gatorade commercial be the button on this.” Or, “Wouldn’t it be great if we could get ‘Basketball Jones?’”

McCoy: If I could come up with something as good as “Basketball Jones” in my life, I could die happy and fulfilled. That was amazing.

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Brewer:
Well, there’s a whole movie to talk about, but I think that’s the thing that I’m left with the most — my fascination with Diane Schroeder. Whoever this woman is, she’s responsible for me loving this movie. It would not be good without her. Here’s this guy, Chance. It’s just him coming in and leaving, and no one knows who he is. And everyone he comes in contact with is either challenged or made better. You could look at so many movies, like Forrest Gump.

McCoy: It’s a “Man from Mars” story. In science fiction, you drop the man from Mars into human society. And then everybody has to explain, like, why there’s insurance. You know what I mean? It’s a way to force everybody to look at everyday society, or just their everyday lives, differently. It’s Stranger in a Strange Land without the, you know, space polygamy.

Brewer: Or to just think how odd an elevator is.

McCoy: You get to see The Beginner’s Mind. I think that’s what’s so fascinating. He’s kind of a mirror to everybody.

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Brewer: I don’t know if I would have been as brave as to direct Peter Sellers — if perhaps one can — to be as restrained as he was.

McCoy: That was one of my thoughts too — the sheer genius of just dialing Peter Sellers all the way down.

Brewer: So much so that when you get to the second old man dying, you actually get a true emotional reaction from him that you did not have in the first one, even though it’s just red around his eyes. With the tears going down his face, you feel that there has perhaps been movement in his soul. But you didn’t think there could be any movement for him, because he played everything pretty much … Usually, when you say someone played something in one note, it’s kind of a bad thing. But that’s what I thought was rather refreshing. You’re almost waiting for that one moment for him to break out of it. And perhaps he can find some epiphany on his own. But in every single scene, he does not do that. It’s not written that way. He doesn’t play it that way. I feel like the only scene that I see that, the only moment I see it in is when that guy passes in front of him. And he says, “Yes, this happens to people. I’ve seen this before.” I think he was truly moved in that moment.

McCoy: Chance has got to be on the autistic spectrum somewhere.

Brewer: I would imagine so. But what’s great about having not known anything about the movie is that you think to yourself, is there some issue he’s dealing with? Or is he truly a person who has been raised inside that house? The way we feel in the beginning of that movie, where you do not know that you were in that neighborhood, you might be in some gorgeous, New York estate with a nice little garden. Then you walk outside and you realize, “Oh, wait a minute. I had a completely different idea of where I was.”

McCoy: You don’t know you’re in D.C., right? But it’s kind of believable in that, it’s an old house. The owner has been there forever. And it’s the 1970s, so the neighborhood’s falling apart around him. So the very first thing Chance is confronted with when he leaves the house is poverty and racism. Once again, it’s the Man from Mars thing. You drop a man from Mars in the middle of an American city, and the first thing they would ask is, “How come this guy didn’t have anything? And why is this Black guy being treated so bad?”

Brewer: There is startling commentary, both spray painted on the wall and what the date [1976, the American bicentennial] is saying.

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McCoy: Then there’s that moment where the maid sees him on TV, and she just lays it down: They only listen to him because he’s a white man.

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Brewer:
I think when you’re watching a movie, there’s this natural feeling to want to figure it out. So it’s like, well, obviously he’s the son of the old man, and the old man kept him from civilization, or something like that. Perhaps he’s not dealing with some social awkwardness or a mental issue. He’s just truly a naive person that has been raised in a place where he’s never been in a car. These are his true feelings and thoughts. But then you get to him walking on water at the end. You’re in a different place of like, “Wait a minute, did this already happen with him? I just saw the death of this old man. Was he someone that came into that life of where he was at the beginning of the movie and was there a whole other movie comparable to what we just saw? Is he existing in a plane that truly, he doesn’t have a beginning or end? Or he doesn’t abide by the laws of gravity or art or science? Really?”

McCoy: Is he like the cat in the old folks home in Doctor Sleep that goes in and hangs out with you while you die?

The final shot of Being There.

McCoy: Peter Sellers, is, like you said, completely restrained and so subtle through the whole thing. It just shows you what control he had. I think a lot of people associated him with the Pink Panther stuff where he’s so wacky. But that’s control, too. It looks goofy to people, and you don’t think about it on that level, how much control it takes.

Brewer: I was young and watching Dr. Strangelove. I did not know much about Peter Sellers other than I grew up watching all of the Pink Panthers. They were a big deal between me and my dad when I was young. We’d love watching him fight Cato … So I finished watching Dr. Strangelove. I’m in high school, and I’m walking out to my car with my friends, and I go “I don’t quite understand why they gave Peter Sellers top billing on this thing. He was kind of funny as that British guy and everything, but I mean, George C. Scott!” And they’re like, “Craig, he was Dr. Strangelove and he’s the president, too.”

Sellers and MacLaine

Brewer: Shirley MacLaine. She’s a national treasure. She’s so good in this. I think that being funny and sexy at the same time, just to watch it in motion, is one of the best things ever. To see her rolling around on that bear rug, and she’s laughing and she’s discovering she’s sexy, but you’re not like lusting after her. You’re just watching. And it’s alive, and it’s real, and entertaining at the same time.

McCoy: And it’s not shot all male gaze-y like porn, either. It’s zoomed out, and there’s comedy. Half of the frame is Sellers doing comedy, and half the frame is her doing her thing. I love that scene because there’s such contrast. Like you said, the sexy and funny thing, like Goldie Hawn or Madeline Khan. And it shows you that everybody’s talking to themselves when they talk to him.

Brewer: The walking on water, can we get back to that?

McCoy: I’ve never really known what to make of it. I accept it as just beautiful, you know? Maybe it doesn’t have to be anything but that.

Brewer: I know, it’s magical realism, which is just a bullshit term for, I don’t know what he’s trying to do. I’m not meaning to grab at some certainty. I’m just saying, the authors made a choice to do that. Why did they do that? And the more I think about it, the more it calls into question what I was feeling and thinking about everything that went on. I love it. I’m glad it’s in there. I don’t think that something like that could happen today in a studio situation. “Uh, we had a pretty well-testing movie, and then you guys did that at the end, and there’s a lot of questions about it.” Would you say though that walking on water, other than it being kind of like the, “Oh, he thinks he’s so awesome. He walks on water or something like that.” Don’t you think that is specifically both narratively and spiritually related to Jesus?

McCoy: It’s gratuitous Christ imagery.

Brewer: I’m just thinking, okay, walking on water, where does that come from?

McCoy: How many people does he save, spiritually? He saves the president, and Shirley MacLaine, and the doctor …

Brewer: I go even further back. I’m going to the maid saying, “I raised that baby.” So it’s not like he’s been that age forever. He was a baby. We don’t know anything about his parentage. There’s nothing about him. He shows up as a baby in this world and causes all this spiritual introspection from people around him, by just basically saying things that almost sound like an error. And you have a bunch of disciples saying, “Jesus, give the answer to our political situation. What do we do? What are we doing?” He goes, “Well, there’s some seed …”

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Never Seen It: Watching Mad Max: Fury Road with Comedian Katrina Coleman

Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron in Mad Max: Fury Road

In the Time of the Rona, I’m reviving my Never Seen It series, in which I convince a cool person to watch a classic film they have somehow missed.

To kick off the revival, I hit up Memphis comedian and You Look Like show producer Katrina Coleman on Twitter, where she’s been doing a nightly movie watch party under the hashtage #cowatch. Our conversation (which happened on the phone, not in real life!) has been edited for length and clarity.

Before Fury Road:

Chris McCoy: How are you holding up?

Katrina Coleman: Good. I made one final grocery trip and put it all up. We stocked up on everything…I’m worried, but we just gotta keep going. [#cowatch] is to keep our spirits up with banter. It’s like, I know what I’m gonna do tonight. I’m going to sit and watch a movie. Do you like to watch it with me and follow along? If it seems like it would interest you, we can all experience the same thing. Actually, one of the rules was not to watch movies like this. I love post-apocalyptic movies, but I was going to stay away from them for a while.

CM: Well, if you’re going to break the rule, this is the one to break it for. What do you know about Mad Max: Fury Road?

KC: I’ve been told over and over again I have to watch it. When it came out in theaters, I was a bad feminist if I didn’t see it. I avoided it because I was I felt like I had to like it…I know the basic plotline, and I’ve seen a lot of the gifs. And I loved Max Max and The Road Warrior.

120 minutes later…

CM: You are now a person who has seen Mad Max: Fury Road. What did you think?

KC: [incoherent screaming] What I have is guttural noises and joy! It is very good! My dad was a truck driver. I love violence. I love yelling. It was a moral story. I was supposed to be tweeting about it, but I kept getting really engrossed with it! Also, my daughter sort of watched it with me. She’s 10, but she has really adult tastes. She was also playing with Legos at the time, so we did talk a little bit about plot and what’s happening and why people do the things they do. But it’s beautiful to watch! I’m a big fan of action porn. It was really well done. I don’t know a lot about movies, but I had so many feelings. Now I want to murder all dudes except for the ones who repeatedly show their loyalty. But to ally yourself, you have to throw yourself out of a moving vehicle and shoot another dude. You could gain my trust!

Nicholas Hoult as Nux.

CM: So like Nux. When starts out and he’s like an incel, kind of like Trump follower, or an alt-right teenage bro.

KC: Actually, what I was seeing was just Lord of the Flies. That’s what happens—unsupervised violence; total, sterile teenage boyhood.

CM: But then by the end, he sacrifices himself for everybody.

Riley Keough as Capable. Keough is Elvis Presley’s granddaughter.

KC: Yeah. But he still doesn’t do a 180, where he’s a completely different person. In his final moment, he asked someone to witness him. In his mind he’s realized that Valhalla waits for him, not for the glory of the warlords, but for the glory of sacrifice. That trait is always there and it’s beautiful, but it was used for good. The idea that these were boys, but they don’t live very long, so they just throw themselves into the machine for the defenses of whatever cause. But all it took, was the one tiny relationship building with him and [Capable]. It might’ve been the first time he fell asleep peacefully with someone. He spoons for the first time and it just changed his whole life.

CM: I love the scene where he eats the bug off of her. He’s like, “Oh! Protein!” It’s such a primate thing to do, to eat a bug off your partner.

KC: They’re tasting life for the first time, in a super base, disgusting way. This movie is very verdant while being like gross. It’s very fleshy. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of life in it. I don’t know how to explain that, but it’s pro-life, in that it is for life. The stakes are very high. It sort of views all lives together as one thing, and then the desert and the violence and the death is another thing. It struck me the moment when Max comes back, he’s covered in blood. He’s like, what is this? It’s mother’s milk—which we’ve already established earlier in the movie is literally human milk—and he uses it to wash the blood off of him. That hit me in a weird way. That part upset me the most… It’s almost like a religious moment.

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CM: You’re an outspoken feminist. What did you think of this movie from that standpoint?

KC: Well, I have a point of frustration—it’s the concept of the Netflix category, “strong female lead,” like that’s a whole movie. So, like for someone with strong feminist values, it’s just cool to watch a movie where you see people that look like you and your friends. It’s also equal opportunity. Like, the grannies are getting in it! They’re punching folks and shooting people. Everyone’s on an equal level here.

But of course, it resonates with me that the male representation is just destruction, control, and ownership. “That’s my child! My property!” Compared to the feminine sort of propagation, the mother with the seeds and how that was what she just kept trying to do. Just kept trying to keep planting, just keep going.

The wives who almost want to go back because they value continuing over anything else. The concept of preservation is built in so hard, and that’s why Furiosa just one such character, because she values preservation. But she will destroy to get it, which makes her very specifically non-binary. like her ruthlessness and the moment where she says, no, we’re not going back [for Splendid]. She has to verify that there’s nothing to go back for. She says, “Did you see it? Did you see it?” She went under the wheels. But did you see it? Like that’s what makes her really a trans character. Because it’s usually what makes male characters really striking, when they have the moment of nurturing, the reluctant father figure.

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CM: Interesting. Yes. That makes me think about Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan. He’s like the tough sergeant the whole time, and then like towards the end you find out he’s, like, an elementary school teacher. He gives that energy out just a little bit every now and then…that nurturing energy.

KC: We, as humans, love to see a badass that will take anything’s ass. If we can kind of quietly believe that person would protect us. I think that’s part of what sort of holds us to a hero. Like, if some bad shit went down, this person who just just absolutely opened fire and murdered all these people and cut them in half, they do it to keep me safe.

Charlize Theron as Imperator Furiosa

CM: And Charlize Theron…

KC: I mean, a performance for the ages! So much of it is non-verbal. I love her as an actress, just full, like, full stop, obviously.

CM: [Cinematographer John Seale] shoots her sometimes like…it’s almost like he’s shooting architecture. She’s just carved out of stone, you know? When I first saw this movie, I compared her performance to Clint Eastwood’s The Man With No Name.

KC: She’s quiet, and communicates everything with her eyes and micro-expressions. She has such a talent for the smallest things…And then there’s the big meme moment—“That’s bait.” I had never seen it in context.

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I also appreciate how every line that Tom Hardy delivered, he sounded like he had just woken up. I know I’ve always been on the fence about that guy, but he’s really great in this.

Tom Hardy as Max Max Rockatansky

CM: Max, though, is almost like a like a sidekick in his own movie.

KC: So, one of my favorite things is the same thing I love about Die Hard. Like, how many hit points does this dude have? How is he standing up?

CM: That’s almost his function as a hero. Luke Skywalker’s function is to fight evil with his lightsaber. Max Rockatansky’s function is to take a punch and keep getting up.

KC: He gets shot literally in the face and is only saved by his crazy ideations of grief.

Courtney Eaton as Cheedo The Fragile

CM: [Cheedo The Fragile], she’s the one who tries to run away, but the other wives talk her out of it. This time, I read that whole scene as a feminist allegory. You know, “Give him another chance! He’ll be good to me this time.”

KC: You know, that is a constant struggle. If we conform enough, if we cater to the patriarchy…It’s usually the older feminist, the ones who’ve been very successful in business, “The Pantsuits”, they call them, who tell us younger feminists to just go with it. Learn to smoke a cigar, learn to take the jokes, learn to deal with it. Yeah. That is super common. And it happens with younger feminists, but absolutely. And I think it’s also been expressed in my colonialization the idea of just go with it to survive. How much is too much? Different people have different levels of how much is too much. Some people can take quite a lot of degradation before they believe it’s worth risking their life.

Hugh Keays-Byrne as Immortan Joe

CM: So, things have a bit of an apocalyptic feel right now, because of, you know, the plague. How did it feel watching Fury Road in this moment?

KC: It was wild. Comparing my life personally, at this time, has seen very small changes. Earlier, I went to the grocery store, but I saw the world in very different way. I also love post-apocalyptic fiction. I love considering it and thinking about it. Where would I stand? What would it be? How would I maneuver out of this world? The line, “Don’t get addicted to water!” is the one that hit me hard. Even in such a dismal place, propaganda is still working well.

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What we’re experiencing right now in our country is 100 percent result of propaganda. It’s like, it’s all propaganda’s fault that it’s so scary. There’s a thousand people on the ground with their buckets. Only the first 50 or 60 managed to fill up their buckets with water. The war machines, they don’t have to be as big as flashy as they are. The chrome and shiny warlords don’t have to dress the way they do. It’s just control. And that’s the thing that’s the most upsetting though about watching it, the thing that kinda just brings it home. If the prisoners figured out that they outnumbered the guards, it would be over real quick.

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Never Seen It: Watching 1984 with the Political Cinema Club

For this edition of Never Seen It, I was invited by Memphis Flyer Senior Editor Jackson Baker to join the Political Cinema Club for a Studio on the Square screening of 1984. The Political Cinema Club is not a formal group so much as a loose, rotating bunch of cinephiles who work in politics and sometimes get together for movie nights.

The film was a big screen adaptation of George Orwell’s seminal science fiction novel by director Michael Radford. It was shot during the exact same period of time that Orwell, writing in 1948, set his novel: April-June, 1984. It starred John Hurt as Winston Smith, Suzanna Hamilton as Julia, and Richard Burton, in his last role, as O’Brien. It was also one of the earliest feature films shot by Roger Deakins, who would go on to produce visual masterpieces such as No Country For Old Men and Fargo with the Coen Brothers.

The film was recently re-released for a week’s theatrical run, and it proved to be terrifyingly relevant to our current political situation. In addition to me and Mr. Baker, the group consisted of Reginald Milton, County Commissioner, District 10; John Gammel, a retired civil servant, artist Peggy Turley; Steve Mulroy, Associate Dean at the University of Memphis School of Law and a former County Commissioner, and David Cocke, Democratic activist and lawyer.

Peggy Turley: I knew nothing about this film. I don’t know where I was in 1984.

Chris McCoy: It was a laugh a minute!

PT: I feel beaten down. It wasn’t easy.

Jackson Baker: That was what you’d call ponderous, actually.

Richard Burton as O’Brien in 1984.

John Gammel: I didn’t know that was Richard Burton’s last film.

PT:  He was almost unrecognizable. His eyes and his voice were the only recognizable things.

JG: And John Hurt, he was accused of being 45 in the movie, but if he was 45, he was rode hard and put up wet.

Chris McCoy: It’s like he was born old.

JB: It took an effort of imagination to see him with her! (Suzanna Hamilton, who played Julia)

CM: Griding dystopias will take it out of you. Had you ever seen it before?

JG: I think I tried to watch it once, but it gets off to a slow start…

CM: You were like, “OH MY GOD, WHAT IS HAPPENING?”

JG: It’s a little grim.

Suzanna Hamilton as Julia

CM: Steve, have you ever seen the movie before?

Steve Mulroy: No. I read the book, of course.

CM: Everybody reads it when they’re young. I read “Politics and the English Language” when I was about nine years old. Way too young.

SM: I think I read it when I was a freshman in college for a politics and literature course.

CM: I was a kid who read sci fi compulsively, and the essay was in the back of my copy of 1984. So what did you think?

SM: It was about what I expected. A slow, ponderous, depressing treatment of the subject, that would be visually interesting, because I read about that color thing they did. [A process known as “bleach bypass” was used on the film, which creates a washed out, desaturated color palette while retaining the sharpness of the image.] It reminded me of the [Francois Truffaut] adaptation of Fahrenheit 451. I admire them for tackling such difficult and important work, and of course the work itself has a great message and is historically important, but as cinema, I dunno. It was hard to take.

CM: Hitchcock said that mediocre books make the best movies. You can’t make a great movie out of a great book, because it’s too dependent on the language. In this case, 1984 the book is all exposition.

SM: It’s all going on inside Winston’s head… How many times did you read the book?

CM: Seems like eight or nine times. It was one of my faves. I think it may have influenced me a little too much. But I haven’t read it in a long time. I remember that there was more than one visit with O’Brien in the book.

SM: He also did a better job in the book of establishing Winston’s deep seated fear of rats. There were times that a rat would appear in the apartment, their love nest, and he would freak out. So by the time they did the horrible torture in the end, it was already baked in. In this one, it seemed like it came out of nowhere.

CM: The imagery was there. He went back and his mom was not there, but the rats were there.

SM: Hurt is a fantastic actor. He had absolutely no vanity in making himself look horrible. Richard Burton did his usual job, but it kinda felt like he was phoning it in.

CM: The idea of Richard Burton is always better than actual Richard Burton. Except for Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf.

[We decamped to Bosco’s for beers and a more intense discussion]

JB: Do you remember the scene in Cabaret, where the Nazi gets up and sings “The future belongs to me” and the old folks are looking like, what’s going on? That exactly paralleled the opening scene. There were older people in the audience who were looking bewildered.

CM: How the kids were portrayed throughout is the creepiest part.

JG: Although the kids looked not as grim. Life for everyone in the outer party is pretty grim. They’re all in blue uniforms, and devoid of anything happy. The kids at least are clean.

CM: They seem to be enjoying it.

JG: They’re cleaner and they’re happier. Everyone was dirty. I just wonder, in our world, it’s so bright and shiny. For me, that was a real question. If you took all of the grimness out of that movie, what would be left?

CM: You mean the visual grimness?

JG: I mean the grimness of life. People were living lives that were tiny.

JB: The Nazis at least could craft a good story. They took care of their kids. They took them on cruises and played around. There were fairs and festivals that brought the people together, going beyond the nasty torchlight assemblies. It portrayed a situation so dystopian, I could not believe in it. There has to be a carrot…

CM: In a successful dystopia, there’s a carrot as well as a stick.

JB: If that’s how you define success for a dystopia.

SM: That might be a criticism of dystopias in real life. In the book, it was all stick and no carrot. It was as grim in the book as it was in the movie.

JB: It is a criticism of Orwell, but it really came across in the movie.

CM: The carrots are for the Inner Party.

SM: Orwell’s point, though, and it may not be convincing—Jackson, I don’t think is convinced—is that if you constantly rewrote history, and constantly changed language, with new editions of the dictionary, slimming it down, you can do such an effective job of brainwashing people that maybe you wouldn’t need the carrots any more. You could so completely brainwash people and control their thinking that your dystopia would still work.

JB: When that movie came out, I was working in Washington DC working for a Democratic congressman. It was 1984, and Reagan was president. The reason I never dragged myself to see the movie was, I figured if 1984 was about a dystopia, well, we already had the dystopia! We already had morning in America. We already had the Evil Empire. That dystopia was organized around greed. If you’re going to do that, you have to have a carrot.

CM: Does everyone always think they’re living in a dystopia? In 1984, you thought “Wow. We’ve hit rock bottom. This is no longer America…”

JB: It could have gone further, and it did!

SM: Every time you think we’ve hit rock bottom, it gets worse.

JG: I thought I was living in a dystopia until I moved to Memphis

David Cocke: First of all, it’s all relative. Orwell was just coming out of the worst totalitarian episodes, with World War II and Russia. His model was Communism.

CM: He was a disillusioned socialist.

DC: But even in France you had totalitarianism during the war. It was a whole experience of living in this grim, warlike, thought controlled society.

JB: Have any of you read Homage to Catalonia, Orwell’s book about his experiences during the Spanish Civil War? It was incredible.

DC: The thought control, the conformity that warps the independent mind, exists not only in the grim totalitarian moments, but also in social conformity. There are elements in our culture today, but none of us feel like what we saw in that movie. I think the Vietnam War was the closest this country has come to that environment.

CM: You mean the state of constant war? Because we’ve been in a state of constant war for 16 years. There are kids today who can drive who have never known anything but America at war.

DC: I’m not arguing with you, but the number of people involved in the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the number of deaths assosicated with those wars is miniscule compared to Vietnam.

JG: In Iraq and in Syria? Civilian deaths have been…

DC: I’m not talking about civilian deaths. They are other people in another world. They are on TV, but they’re not us. What we saw on TV in the 1960s was our kids getting shot, not the Vietnamese getting shot.

CM: I know kids who I grew up with who did multiple tours in Afghanistan.

PT: In the film, they were constantly seeing images of war on television. But a lot of that was just theater, right? It was not necessarily real war.

DC: And our armies are professionals, by the way. They’re volunteering.

SM: I think maybe you’re both right. Orwell wanted just enough war to distract the populace and control the populace. Then he took it farther, and they were at the brink of starvation. But that’s not the real world model in America. The real world model in America is to have just enough war to rally everyone around the flag, but not enough to actually cause sacrifice on the part of the public. George W. Bush after 9/11 said, everyone go shopping. We’re supposed to keep the same standard of living, and keep in the back of their mind that there’s a war out there, and we all have to be loyal.

CM: It’s the invisible army against the invisible enemy. That seemed very familiar to me.

JG: I think the War On Terror is as close to that situation as is possible, really. The absence of real war is a part of it. The domestic impact of the War on Terror has been in terms of the whole militarization of the country, and how that affected policing. I mean, police have always been ruffians, to a certain extent, but they’ve never in history been as entitled. They have been totally militarized. What is it, evil empire…

PT: “Bad hombres” today.

SM: With Bush it was the Axis of Evil.

JG: Only after 9/11 did you hear majors and colonels going on TV and saying, “We’re going after the bad guys.” That’s not a military term. It’s “The enemy”. In the military, the enemy is honorable.

SM: I thought it was interesting in that, another way the film was faithful to the book was that the proles seemed less brainwashed and really happier. If there’s any hope, it’s from the proles. When you left the main sector and went into the forbidden proletariat sector, there was at least some genuine happiness. Even the old washer woman who was singing a propaganda song created real beauty. That was the one shred of hope.

JB: There was a lot more of that in the book than the movie.

DC: In other words, it was the middle class who took the brunt of the dystopia.

JB: If you want a real example of an Orwellian dystopia today, look at North Korea.

PT: Oh yeah. That’s why I don’t think there’s a need for carrots. They are dark and beaten down, observed, and controlled.

Reginald Milton: I agree with you on that. To the elites, the enemy is actually the people themselves. There is a group who are empowered and who have a good quality of life, and everyone outside of that is the real enemy.

JB: We are their Eurasia.

RM: Right. North Korea is the same. It’s basically using people as tools to prop up a very small segment who are enjoying a high quality of life. Then there’s the situation in Cuba, where, when President Obama opened up relations, the Cuban government still attacked Obama, because at the end of the day, they still had to have an enemy. If they didn’t have an enemy, the people might go “Wait a minute, who IS our enemy? Who is to blame for all of these problems?” So the reality is that, this is how it’s always been. Imagine a boot, stamping on a human face, forever. That’s exactly what the North Korean government is. It’s an oppressive government that caters to a small segment and uses the masses to maintain them.

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CM: The Eurasian government, and the East Asian Government, and the Airstrip One government—the inner parties in all three of those have more in common with each other than they have with the people they are supposed to be governing. They’re all using the same tactics to maintain power.

DC: In the book, were they real? Or were they manufactured?

CM: They were real, and the war was real. They would have skirmishes, but they weren’t having a war where they were trying to win. It was perpetual war to keep the people in line.

DC: Well, that’s what we have in this country now, right?

CM: Yeah. The idea was to eat up the excess economic production.

PT: It’s like what just happened, with the missile strikes in Syria.

SM: This is the first time I’ve actually wondered if it was real, though. Under W., I never doubted that they honestly, sincerely believed their line about evildoers. There were neocons who wanted to remake the Middle East in their own image, and they were using terrorism as an excuse. But they definitely wanted a real war. With Trump, I don’t know what he wants. It might not be real.

CM: Reginald, your point about how there has to be an enemy applies to Trump. When he started flailing was when he suddenly didn’t have an Obama or a Hillary to push around any more. They keep trying to push Hillary and Obama back out into the news, because they need an enemy, or else his incompetence becomes obvious.

JG: Best case in point: Gun sales are down 26%.

DC: The reason they were hoarding the guns is that they were afraid the liberals were going to take over and take them away. Now they don’t need them.

JG: The NRA made a deal with the Kalishnikov factory to lobby to get restrictions on their sales lifted in the United States.

CM: The elites have more in common with each other than they do with their own countrymen.

SM: Just like the pigs and the famers had more in common with each other than they did with the other animals in Animal Farm, which is also Orwell.

CM: That’s the children’s book version of 1984.

SM: Jackson said earlier about the carrots and the sticks. I think the carrot model of dystopia is Brave New World, where everything is bright and shiny, and they used drugs to control the populace.

JB: I think that’s closer to where we are.

CM: Here’s to soma!

ALL: Cheers!

[This fascinating conversation went on for another hour, and there was much more than I could possibly transcribe, so I will leave it here.]

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Never Seen It: Watching A Clockwork Orange with Memphis Flyer Editor Bruce VanWyngarden

In this installment of Never Seen It, I sat down with the boss, Memphis Flyer Editor Bruce VanWyngarden, to check out Stanley Kubrick’s infamous, 1971 low-budget masterpiece A Clockwork Orange. We were joined by my wife Laura Jean, and a couple of bottles of red wine.

BEFORE THE MOVIE

Chris McCoy: What do you know about A Clockwork Orange?

Bruce VanWyngarden: I’m sure back in the day I read a lot about it. I know it’s Kubrick, I know about the Droogs, and I know there’s a lot of violence, and it’s set in some kind of futuristic Great Britain.

CM: Why didn’t you ever get around to seeing it?

BVW: I was probably stoned. When it came out, I was probably 17 or 18. When did it come out?

CM: 1971.  After 2001: A Space Odyssey, Kubrick was going to do Napoleon. It was going to be huge—there was going to be 40,000 extras, he was literally going to recreate Waterloo. It never happened. I have a .pdf of the script on my hard drive, but I’ve never actually read it. The whole thing fell apart, and he said, “Screw it, I’m going to make a movie with one light kit.” And that’s what this is.

BVW: My wife’s mother made her watch this over and over again. She was really into it. They were living in France out in the country, and it was one of the few VHS tapes she had. I asked her if she wanted to come see this, and she said no, she had seen it too many times already. She was like, I can’t believe you never saw this! I said, That’s the whole point of the column…At the time, there was suddenly a lot more nudity in movies. I was watching stuff like Blow Up, and my mind was being blown. How did I miss this one? I don’t know.

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DURING THE MOVIE

[Alex returns to his bedroom after a long night of rape and pillage to listen to Beethoven]

BVW: The micro cassette was advanced technology in 1970!

[Alex’s mother is revealed to have purple hair]

CM: People in the future really do have purple hair!

BVW: That woman has Eileen Townsend hair.

[Alex picks up two girls at the record store]

BVW: Everyone is sucking on popsicle dicks!

CM: There are a lot of dicks in this movie.

[The infamous time lapse menage a trois]

CM: This has got to be one of the greatest single takes in movie history.

BVW: I wonder how long that really took?

(I looked it up: 23 minutes)

[Alex is sentenced for his crimes]

BVW: 14 years for murder. He got off easy.

CM: You just wait.

[While reading the bible in the prison library, Alex imagines himself as one of the Roman guards taking Christ to the cross.]

BVW: I love Alex’s interpretation of the bible!

[Bruce looks up Malcom McDowell’s IMDB page]

BVW: Oh my god! Do you know how many movies he’s been in? He’s acted in 258 movies! That’s an average of 7 movies a year! That guy works.

CM: He works. And that was because of A Clockwork Orange. Every single director wants him to do Alex.

BVW: He should have gotten the Oscar for that eyeball thing alone.

CM: They scratched his corneas and he went temporarily blind.

BVW: You couldn’t get away with that today. That would be CGI. I hope he got paid a lot of money for this role.

AFTER THE MOVIE

BVW: It started out just as intense and crazy and violent as I had expected, except for the cartoonish character of the violence. I watch violent movies now, and I just turn away. I can’t stand it. But like in the early scenes where they’re fighting and beating up the old man, there’s nothing I can’t look at. It wasn’t as horrible as I thought it was going to be.

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Laura Jean Hocking: When the woman gets killed with the big penis sculpture, I can’t watch that.

BVW: I couldn’t watch that, either.

CM: He went totally abstract during that killing.

BVW: There was no visual of it.

CM: t’s like a comedy and a horror at the same time.

BVW: That’s what I expected: Horrible violence and drugs and futuristic shit. But the rest of it, by the third act, I was ready for it to end. I was not as compelled by it by the time it ended as I was in the beginning. It’s totally front loaded…Halfway through the third act, I had to pee. I was like, I’m done with this. But you said it was almost over, and my bladder made it. I was thinking, where is all this going to go? Alex is obviously going to be an evil fuck again. I get it.

LJH: I loved the paparazzi swooping in.

CM: The press is the ultimate bad guy in this movie.

LJH: They validate everyone’s bad behavior.

CM: The motivation of the journalist whose wife was raped and killed in the first act was to ultimately distort society. It’s arguably the greater evil than this thug at the center of the whole thing. As a journalist, that’s weird.

BVW: Oh yeah. I think, after seeing it, Malcolm McDowell should have gotten an award for the greatest physical abuse ever taken by an actor. It was amazing the shit he went through.

LJH: The eyelid thing! Aaaahhh!

BVW: The eyelid thing, and the drowning! He was underwater for a long time!

CM: There are all these huge, long takes, but it ultimately drags. The individual scenes work, but it really doesn’t hold together in the end.

BVW: Maybe it was the wine, but I was dragging at the end. There were not enough tits, not enough beatings, just a whole lot of close ups of people’s faces, leering.

CM: Something I noticed this time was, Kubrick was really excited about his lens choice….When we went to L.A. In 2013, there was a Kubrick exhibit at LACMA…

LJH: There was an entire room that was just his lenses. It was like pornography.

[Extended, largely incoherent discussion of Carl Zeiss lenses, Watergate, Trump, and mid-century modern architecture ensues.]

CM: So, here’s what the ultimate point of the movie, or the text, is supposed to be. Anthony Burgess, the writer, his wife was raped and beaten by a bunch of drunk American soldiers during World War II.

BVW: Americans?

CM: Yes. The novel came from that experience. The central question is, what if you had a technology that could change a person from a criminal to an ideal citizen? Whoever gets to decide what an ideal citizen is. Is Alex actually able to exercise free will and do good, and do his good works have any meaning, as Christian morality would suggest? Or is he just faking it? Is he a robot? It he like an orange, an actual orange that you could eat, or is he a clockwork orange, a fake orange that you can’t eat and therefore has no value? So that’s supposedly the deeper meaning of all this violence and stuff. The one scene when he’s in the theater and he’s the entertainment and they’re all debating about the Luduvoco technique, the priest stands up and says, “If he can’t make a choice between good or evil, this doesn’t matter. Why are we doing this?” That’s the most crucial scene in the movie. Did you get any of that from the movie?

BVW: No. Hell no.

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